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To: bandleader

S&W .460 Magnum has higher velocity. 200gr JHP @ 2400 fps. Thats faster than a lot of rifles.

Same frame. 72 oz, empty, for the 8 3/8 barrel model.

I love my .460XVR.


25 posted on 12/24/2014 10:44:29 PM PST by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

JD Jones sold some left-overs a few years ago. One was a 7 inch
.50-70 750JDJ barrel for the TC Contender.
It launches a 750 grain BMG slug from a .50-70 black powder case.
For a lighter load you can use a 510 grain solid.

It’s a good thing the TC is single shot as it takes a while to get your hand down from the vertical position after the shot.

And no one will bug you to let them shoot it.


26 posted on 12/24/2014 11:49:08 PM PST by alpo
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To: CarmichaelPatriot
S&W .460 Magnum has higher velocity. 200gr JHP @ 2400 fps. Thats faster than a lot of rifles.

The magnums punch fairly neat holes. . . and may kill the intended targets, but the question is "when will the target die?" They'll bleed out from the entry and exit wound. . . but not much energy from the bullet passing through has been imparted to the target on its way through, unless it hits a bone or two. The idea of "Stopping Power" is the ability of the SYSTEM, gun and ammunition, to deliver energy and shock to the target in sufficient amounts to STOP the target from his intended purpose of injuring you or others. Neat through and through holes do not accomplish that. High velocity SYSTEMS are not necessarily going to do that. You need to slow that bullet down once it has entered the target and stop it, thereby imparting every single foot/pound of energy it is carrying to that target so that none of that energy is wasted by exiting out the back and doing an unintended collateral damage to innocent bystanders across the street or over the horizon. All of the expanding bullets are intended to increase the cross-sectional density of the bullet on impact to do that; to get the bullet down below the speed of sound in water (about the same as that in body), at which point it can start efficiently transmitting a sonic shock wave of energy through the body, draining it from the bullet. Think of the sonic boom. . .

The Hatcher scale is ranked from 0 to 100 where 100 is the rating of a handgun system that WILL be guaranteed to stop a man in a fight situation— i.e. hopped up on adrenalin—100% of the time, with a single shot. There is NO handgun that can do that. None. (perhaps a hand grenade could do it, but that's not a handgun!).

A study of police officers killed in the line of duty in the 1960s found that more than 60% of them had been killed by their assailants AFTER the officer had mortally wounded their assailant with either a .38 S&W Special or a .357 S&W Magnum round. In other words, the killer was already dead when he or she killed the officer, but didn't know it yet. . . because the weapon system used on the assailant was inefficient in delivering sufficient STOPPING POWER. The .38 Special was simply too wimpy, with too light a bullet, too light and small of a bullet, and not enough energy. The .38 special rated only 35-36 on the Hatcher Relative Stopping Power Scale. On the other hand, the .357 Magnum rated only 38-40 on the Hatcher scale. . . because it had the same failings of light, small bullets, but too much velocity. . . with failure of the bullet to stop in the targets. One can gain a few points with using expanding point bullets, but the weight and energy are still lacking to gain much stopping power. The .45 ACP gets around 55, IIRC, and the .44 S&W Magnum ranged from 64-69 depending on load and barrel length of the firearm. The best rating on the scale was reported from the Colt Single Action Army in .45 Long Colt with a 7.5 inch barrel which came in with a Hatcher rating of 73.

Some guns you so do not want to put your life defense on. . . I'm working from memory here. . . but I'm close.

I want a gun and system that gives me at least a rating of 50. . . or if less, keep firing.
30 posted on 12/25/2014 1:38:50 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

I “Love”my 500 S&W Magnum but I wouldn’t want to be on the “Receiving End”of Either!!!!!!!!!!!!!


39 posted on 12/25/2014 8:23:16 AM PST by bandleader
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