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Woman on welfare bullied into abortion by her social worker
Clinic Quotes ^ | September 17, 2013 | Sarah Terzo

Posted on 12/20/2014 11:21:37 PM PST by Morgana

A woman who had a baby on welfare describes her social worker’s attitude when she became pregnant a second time:

“After having our baby in May, a caseworker at the Department of Social Services made us feel like we’d been irresponsible for having a second child. She lectured Jim [her husband], telling him, “You can’t keep your wife barefoot and pregnant the rest of your life. You’d better do something about it.”

She wanted to stop us having children and insisted on making an appointment for us to go to Planned Parenthood for counseling and birth-control supplies – conveniently located right next door.

At the clinic, I was examined and told that I had a bacterial infection.… They decided that I couldn’t have any kind of birth control, so my husband became the target. The counselor told us that Jim had to have a vasectomy. They really put the pressure on him, making him feel like he was under an obligation to be sterilized. Of course, Medicaid would pay for it. (They were willing to do anything to keep “welfare folk” from reproducing.) We didn’t want to do it, but they told us there was a 50-50 chance the vasectomy could be reversed later when wanted more kids and had more money. Afraid we would have our finances cut off of we had another child, we went along with it…”

She then found out she was pregnant

“I was happy immediately. “All right!, I just knew it!”… When our caseworker found out that I was pregnant with our third child, she was just disgusted with us. She couldn’t believe that we had been so “irresponsible.” She urged us to have an abortion, saying, “You just can’t go around having babies the rest of your life.” After making us feel like dirt, she reassured us that Medicaid would pay for the abortion, and that we could always have children later.…

On August 18, 1975 I had an abortion. The doctor told me he would slowly dilate my cervix with a series of metal rods and suction out the “blob of jelly called fetal tissue.”

I wasn’t given anything for pain, the nurse had to hold me down. The nurse kept saying to me “it will be over in a minute, honey… Oh come on now, it doesn’t hurt that bad. Quit being such a baby!”

Afterwards, our caseworker didn’t ask about the abortion, or how I felt, she just wanted to know that I had it done.”

The woman had many problems with guilt after her abortion. She turned to drugs, and became abusive towards her other children. She dealt with extreme guilt, and eventually joined an organization dedicated to helping postabortion women.

David C Reardon Aborted Women: Silent No More (Westchester, Illinois: Crossway books, 1987) 273 – 276


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: abortion; bullied; caseworker; clinicquotes; forcedabortion; postabortivewomen; prolife; socialworker; theysaidit; welfarestate
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1 posted on 12/20/2014 11:21:37 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Oh, yeah. A female ObGyn at UCDMC’ s Old Libby Cannery facility told Nicole A., “you have too many children, I’m going to give you an abortion”

And she did.

That would probably be just fine with the average UC Davis person.


2 posted on 12/21/2014 1:06:06 AM PST by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: Morgana
While I certainly don't support a woman being "bullied" into having an abortion, yes, it is irresponsible to have three children you can't afford to rear.

In fact, it is irresponsible to have even one child you can't afford to raise, but things happen. I get that. But a second pregnancy? And then a third!?!!

3 posted on 12/21/2014 1:35:25 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: rmh47

How many children are lost to abortion each year?

We based the numbers on some generally accepted abortion estimates: That 40 million abortions happen globally each year; 1 million of those occur in America; and roughly 5,000 occur in Arkansas.

Every three seconds, four children get aborted somewhere in the world. An American child gets aborted about every thirty seconds. And Arkansas loses one child every two hours, with roughly 13 – 14 abortions per day, 365 days a year. You have to stop and ask at some point just who it is we are aborting. How many of these children might otherwise grow up to become some of the best and brightest minds the world has ever known? Well, let’s see if we can find out.

Everyone has heard of an IQ score. It’s one way we measure human intelligence. It isn’t perfect, but it is one of the best all-purpose measurements we have.

The average IQ is 100. A score over 115 is going to be above average. Scores of 130 – 150 cover varying degrees of greater intelligence, and scores over 150 generally fall into the “genius” or “near genius” category.

To put this into perspective, Steve Jobs—founder of Apple and, by all accounts, inventor of the computer as we know it—had an IQ estimated in the 150 – 160 range. Out of all the humans on earth, there were no more than seven million (probably much less) who were as smart or smarter than he was.

Now, with 40 million babies aborted each year, how many brilliant minds might we be losing on an annual basis? Below is a table showing estimates on IQ scores, the number of human beings (on average) who match or exceed those score, and the estimated number of aborted babies whose IQs match or exceed those scores.

IQ Score Humans with IQs Equal or Higher Babies Aborted
130 140,000,000 800,000
135 70,000,000 400,000
146 7,000,000 40,000
160 233,333 1,333
170 7,000 40

Breaking down the chart, on average, we lose nearly one million very gifted people to abortion every single year. We lose at least 1,000 people as intelligent as Steve Jobs. We abort 40 geniuses.

These are some pretty staggering estimates. It may sound like the setup for a bad joke, but what could we get from 40 geniuses in a room? What would people with that kind of intelligence have to offer society? How many Martin Luther Kings, Ghandis, Einsteins, Teslas, and Edisons has abortion claimed? We will never know for sure, but my guess is if we were ever given the actual numbers, we would be appalled.

With 17% of the American population lost to abortion, and unknown numbers of brilliant minds forever denied the opportunity to better the world, we genuinely are slowly destroying ourselves with abortion.

4 posted on 12/21/2014 2:10:13 AM PST by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: Morgana

abortion was never about choice. It is an oxymoron.


5 posted on 12/21/2014 3:38:28 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: CharlesOConnell
That would probably be just fine with the average UC Davis person.

I'm a UC Davis alumna, and that is *not* just fine with me.

I think it's time to start advocating for women's rights. Every woman has the right to health care provided by people who do not advocate or participate in killing of the innocent.

6 posted on 12/21/2014 4:23:04 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: CharlesOConnell

Excellent post and point to consider.
I recall seeing a piece from Freakonomics that made the argument that widespread legalized abortions in the poor minority population, can be credited for reducing the nation’s crime rate which has been in decline since 1991.
The 2001 MIT study cited in Freakonomics, parallel Margret Sanger’s eugenics thesis that reducing the population of newborn poor should reduce the crime rate.

However, studies cited from the following source refute that conclusuon.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/10/26/does-abortion-really-reduce-crime-another-look-at-freakonomics/


7 posted on 12/21/2014 4:43:42 AM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Morgana
She lectured Jim [her husband], telling him, “You can’t keep your wife barefoot and pregnant the rest of your life. You’d better do something about it.”

It always irks me when clueless people use the term "barefoot Nd pregnant".

The term refers to a method of how a husband may keep a flightprone wife in the home, or a slaveowner may keep slaves on the plantation. In the winter, take away her shoes... in the summer keep her burdened with a child in the womb.

The social worker in the story is basically a facilitator to similarly keep welfare recipients "on the plantation".

8 posted on 12/21/2014 5:33:19 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Morgana
I'm against abortion, so obviously I do not think anyone should be bullied into one. However, the pregnant woman in this story is not a sympathetic figure. If this married couple is on welfare and already have two children, elation (as opposed to resignation or acceptance) in response to a third pregnancy is a sign of cluelessness. One of these two people should be (voluntarily) sterilized.

I am growing weary of the assertion that if you are opposed to abortion, you are required to be appalled that anyone be encouraged to use contraception or to get sterilized. We taxpayers are subsidizing (usually unwed) women who bear child after child and then live on the dole.

9 posted on 12/21/2014 6:07:47 AM PST by utahagen
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Here’s what I believe. If you have a child while on welfare, it is prima facie evidence that you are an unfit parent. All children should be placed for adoption, and the mother sterilized.

We are a whacked out society that we continue to pay as the welfare class continues to breed.

No concern from the mother about supporting the child, or Jim getting a job to pay for the rearing of his spawn. All they want to do is copulate and pick up their check.

I despise the welfare worker for pushing for murder - but this “family’s” irresponsible behavior is mind numbing.


10 posted on 12/21/2014 8:33:08 AM PST by GilesB
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To: GilesB

Abortion is murder. Spewing out babies you can’t and won’t support should be a criminal offence and should at least cause loss of parental rights.


11 posted on 12/21/2014 10:23:59 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Morgana

This makes no sense. The purpose of welfare is to encourage more children in the no-father household.


12 posted on 12/21/2014 11:28:45 AM PST by DPMD
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To: jimt

exactly right!


13 posted on 12/21/2014 12:36:58 PM PST by GilesB
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To: utahagen

First of all this couple is married. Not like she’s a single mom. Have no idea why they are in the state they are in. Maybe on is disabled? Either way this is what Margaret Sanger wanted, for married people to limit their families.

This social workers should, instead of pushing abortion told them of churches and other places that gave free baby stuff for the kid(s). There are programs to help out. Killing the baby is not the answer.


14 posted on 12/21/2014 4:40:15 PM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
I made it clear that I oppose abortion, and also acknowledged that the woman is married.

The goal of the pro-life movement should be to stop the murder of the unborn, not to persuade people to be cheerful about supporting children whose parents can't support them. Keep publicizing stories such as this one and Rose v. Wade will never be overturned.

15 posted on 12/21/2014 6:49:39 PM PST by utahagen
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To: Morgana; utahagen

I noticed this guy Utahagen(who seems to be Catholic) from another thread criticizing another Catholic who called a certain parish priest a “Queenie” and making a big deal out of it for that choice of word.

Then I noticed THIS thread where apparently utahagen is anti-abortion, but more Republican than Catholic in approving of , and promoting in his writings in this thread: contraception and sterilization. Both contraception and sterilization are mortal sins. People who pracitce these are not “open to life”.

Seems hypocritical of utahagen to be criticizing another Catholic for referring to a questionable priest as a “Queenie” then he himself goes around promoting contraception and sterilization just like one of the Malthusians, Zero Population Growth org, the U.N., the World Bank, Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, secular humanism, Obama, the Democrat Party, mainline Protestant Christianity et al.

Utahagen get your head right with God put Catholicism over your present “common sense” or your particular flavor of Republicanism or conservative politics. You can be both but be Catholic first.


16 posted on 12/27/2014 2:45:32 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns, and kneeling at the feet of Mary)
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Firstly, you must have failed Reading Comprehension in grade school. I had no problem with labeling a gay priest as “Queenie”; I simply was skeptical of the assertion that said “Queenie” honors his vow of celibacy. If anything, my skepticism makes me obviously a critic of political correctness.

Secondly, if you don't know who the original “Uta Hagen” was, at least research it. Once you do, you'll realize that a poster who posts as “utahagen” is more likely to be female than male.

Thirdly, I'll cop to this: I don't care whether people who break basic rules involving fornication compound such sins with the sins of contraception and sterilization. (I acknowledge that the couple in the post you are referring to was married. In that case, I simply lost patience with their dependence on the government and their elation at being pregnant with a child THEY themselves could not support. Had they even been sheepish, I wouldn't have recommended sterilization. And, by the way, ABSITINENCE is an option for married people, as well as for single.)

But getting back to my weariness with fornicators who don't marry since the woman is pregnant and who continue to mindlessly reproduce...if God is going to punish me for an exasperated post that assert people like this should be sterilized, well, very few will make it to Heaven.

As someone who is opposed to abortion, I care about whether pro-life arguments are effective, and the real point of my post is that that the post to which I was responding would repel 90% of even pro-life readers. People like me/us are sick of working 80 hours a week to have our wages stolen by people who should abstain. If your response to that is, “God will punish you”, I'll assert that you don't REALLY care about making abortion illegal; you care only about setting yourself up as a critic of prolifers who are not sufficiently Catholic for your taste.

So, keep insulting people like me and you'll find yourself in a room with about twenty equally self-righteous people who have litmus tests for other pro-lifers. You'll feel smugly good about yourself, yet you'll won't see abortion significantly curbed in your lifetime.

17 posted on 12/27/2014 3:03:32 PM PST by utahagen
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To: utahagen

You really stick to the conservative script and thinking.
It would seem from the aggregate of your responses to me that your conservatism is your biggest filter over Catholicsm in your life. Conservative outlets/media influence our thinking as well as does the Bible and Catholic TV/Radio. Most assuredly, I lack no comprehension, but I am trying to get through to you. And yes, well I have tried, but your not really there. Your wrapped up in your politics and every reply back to me is mostly about your politics, or the situation of the couple or the article, and or me personally and my grade level or lack of comprehension(several times on that one).

All that I have said to you has nothing to do with politics,welfare, laziness, non-Christians couples,the USCCB or what have you. Its all about Catholicism and Gods wisdom and knowledge over and above what our personal conclusions may be.
“Put on the mind of Christ”.

When you talk and promote sterilization and contraception, the way you do , no respectable priest, nun, serious Catholic or saint in heaven would talk that way. It is sinful—mortal sin. What you end up doing is promoting and evangelizing about contraception and sterilization with comments like that. Your helping to desensitize others to those ills and evils. Those evils are part and parcel of the culture of death. “Put on the mind of Christ”.

Much like some of the Catholic guys and gals I know when reading gossip about this or that celebrity couple and such who are having marital problems would say....”If I was so and so’s wife/husband , I’d divorce his/her arse”....well divorce is not something to be promoted like that either to whomever is listening to you, most especially if you are a Catholic. Marriage is a lifetime commitment, there are no easy outs and then try to make your life right with serial marriages aka serial polygamy.

Catholics with these kinds of comments about divorce are really showing that their thinking is influenced by the culture and they have not learned to segregate their mind from the culture or at least not enough. Sure that celebrity couple is agnostic or protestant, but we(Catholics) dont or should not carry those attitudes of divorce which are against Jesus’s very words and promote them to others. So if you say you are Catholic and you talk like that...I’ll point it out.
“Put on the mind of Christ”.

You have repeatedly said about me that I dont comprehend, I see that in your replies you keep going back to politics and the couple in question and this thing and that thing. While all along I’m just talking straight Catholicism w/o respect to the situation you are applying it to....which is irrelevant. Much like the celebrity couple situation I just brought up...the situation is really irrelevant. “Put on the mind of Christ”.

A hallmark of a good Christian(protestants included), is to be open to criticism. However, in this day and age, most are not open to criticism these days.

Good Luck.


18 posted on 12/27/2014 7:32:04 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns, and kneeling at the feet of Mary)
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OK, I have thought about what you posted and I think you are right: I should not be glibly saying anyone should be sterilized. I am going to try to “put on the mind of Christ”. I mean that.

I apologize for beating up on the couple in the original story who are, after all, married. What really drives me crazy is all the stories in the NYTimes that go like this: “LaShonda was one year into her community college program when she discovered she was pregnant with twins...” There isn't even a mention of the father of this child! It's as if pregnancy has become an airborne virus that women are helpless to avoid. This woman sleeps with unknown men and we taxpayers are footing the bill.

A few years ago, we crossed the Rubicon: more than 50% of babies born to woman under 30 — women of all races and ethnicities — were born out of wedlock. We are doomed.

19 posted on 12/28/2014 8:29:56 AM PST by utahagen
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Wow,I am surprised by your reply. I thought at best I was just going to be planting a seed for later.
Good Luck


20 posted on 12/28/2014 1:15:12 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns, and kneeling at the feet of Mary)
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