Posted on 11/17/2014 4:08:52 PM PST by rednesss
For at least the second time since 2012, the federal government has brought criminal charges, accusing someone of training people on how to beat a polygraph test.
On Friday, prosecutors announced an indictment against Douglas G. Williams, a 69-year-old man from Norman, Okla., who’s accused of coaching people “how to lie and conceal crimes” during federally administered lie-detector tests.
Mr. Williams, who operates a company called Polygraph.com, says the mail fraud and obstruction of justice charges leveled against him are an “attack on his First Amendment rights.” The indictment follows the federal prosecution of an Indiana man who received eight months in prison in 2013 after pleading guilty to similar charges.
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Read the outstanding new book by former CBS reporter Sharyl Atkisson called “Stonewalled,” and you will support this guy against the Stasi of the USSA fedgov Frankenstein.
He’s a former polygraph examiner for the Oklahoma City police department. From the article:
“And the truth is, the polygraph is no more accurate than the toss of a coin in determining whether a person is telling the truth or lying.”
He is correct, often times the lie detector test is used to play mind games with the subject.
I had a long 3 hour conversation with a retired lie detector operative for a major NJ Police department once. The guy was even on 60 minutes back in his prime.
Anyhow, after listening to him about the test, I feel quite differently about them....
Didn’t realize it was a crime to talk about it though, that is wrong. Simply invalidates the subject, imho.
Why would it matter, it’s not admissible anyway...
You are correct. . .and the science says it is a mess and not accurate: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10420. . .and
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=10420
https://antipolygraph.org/nas.shtml
The poly is not accurate by any measure.
Hollywood consists of professional liars.
You win the prize for best comment of the day.
The best invention anyone could come up with would be an unbeatable lie detector. It would put defense attorneys pretty much out of business - a lawyer’s job would be to keep his client away from the lie detector at all costs because once hooked up the truth will be revealed. It would put 99% of today’s politicians out of business as well.
H. Beam Piper’s “Little Fuzzy” includes an unbeatable lie detector used in the courtroom - not sure I’ve seen it used anywhere else. Doc Smith’s Lens served the purpose as well now that I think about it.
I know a guy who was molested as a child by an older boy.
He applies for a government job and gets polygraphed. They ask him if he’s had sex with a man. He thinks for a minute and says to himself ‘He wasn’t a man. There was no penetration, so it wasn’t sex, and in any case I didn’t consent.” So he says “No.” The polygraph says he’s lying.
So he explains the whole situation and asks if they can do it again. They do the whole test over again, and when they get to the sex with a man question he says yes. The polygraph says he’s lying.
He told me that the polygraph couldn’t tell if he was lying. It could only tell if he was nervous, and thinking back on that event 15 years later still made him nervous no matter what he said.
He didn’t get the job.
HollywoodWashington DC consists of professional liars.
“Gees, so the government can lie to us all day and that is okie dokie, guess they hate the competition.”
This case is an absolute outrage.
A lie detector will not work properly at all on two types of people; namely psychotics, and pathological liars.
Therefore, there is no point on doing a lie detector test on any member of the administration or fellow travelers.
“They ask him if he’s had sex with a man. “
“He didn’t get the job.”
Yeah, but that was 15 years ago. He should try again, if he’s young enough and needs a job. Seriously.
A supposed lie detector, will not work properly, on ANY ONE. If you propose it can- please present your sources.
“A supposed lie detector, will not work properly, on ANY ONE. If you propose it can- please present your sources.”
I stand corrected.
Our country has been on a war footing for over 70 years now. Deception is the main tenant of war. This, plus the SCOTUS ruling in the sixties that condoned lying by the police, has caused me to disbelieve everything anyone says who works for them. This goes for the president all way down to the dog catcher.
~~~Why would it matter, it’s not admissible anyway...~~~
Admissible in some states, under certain conditions:
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/admissability-of-polygraph-tests-in-court.html
The lensman series is excellent. Unfortunately, it wasn't really written for a universe inhabited by human beings. Even men of pure motives can be led astray.
Actually, Catholics have the highest rate of false-positives on a poly.
Catholics easy to explain, especially devout Catholics. Why? Because they have a sense of ‘guilt’ in them. From original sin on up, they know in their mind somewhere they must have sinned/done wrong. Not taking a hack at Catholics, I am one, so this makes great sense to me.
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