Posted on 11/01/2014 11:14:07 AM PDT by BenLurkin
Back in 1784, hanging out in Paris and heady with Enlightenment, Benjamin Franklin had an idea. Struck by the fact that Parisians were sleeping during sunlight hours and then staying up late at night by candlelight, he calculated the number of candles that were being wasted -- and came up with a very impressive number, 64 million pounds worth of them. Franklin therefore jokingly proposed a massive schedule change, noting that a fortune could be saved through "the economy of using sunshine instead of candles," and even suggested at one point that perhaps cannons be fired at sunrise to get everybody out of bed.
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The paper, published in 2011 in The Review of Economics and Statistics by Matthew Kotchen of Yale and Laura Grant of the University of California-Santa Barbara, took advantage of what the researchers dubbed a "natural experiment" with the effect of daylight saving time in the state of Indiana --
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So what caused daylight saving to apparently backfire (rather than backlight)? "In the spring, you are basically making people wake up in the early morning, the coldest time of day, when they might turn up their heat," explains Yale's Kotchen. "And in the summer, if you take an hour of sunlight and you move it from the morning and put it in the evening, people are more likely to be running their air conditioner harder in the evening." That's because heat from the sun builds up over the course of the day, making that particular hour of sunlight hotter than it would have been if it occurred in the morning rather than the evening. So the "Benjamin Franklin effect" -- people using less artificial lighting -- turns out to be overwhelmed by heating and cooling choices.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
John Adams when he was in Paris at the same time as Franklin was aggravated by Franklin's late rising and frequent partying which made it hard to get Franklin to read and sign important documents.
Well, you are literally the only one I’ve ever met who has said the time change doesn’t bother them. You don’t happen to have a sleeping disorder, do you? I know it doesn’t affect everyone the same way, but most people are affected by it to one degree or another. For both my wife and I, the effect it has happens to not much different than going to work drunk. There’s no possible way it’s gonna make me (and a lot of other people) more productive.
Regardless, getting up based on the time on a clock (as opposed to whatever the sun is doing), is not at all the same as changing the time on the clock every six months. Most people are still going to be working the same number of hours per day regardless of whether there is daylight saving time or not.
There’s a very strong correlation between latitude of each of the countries on the list and whether they have adopted Daylight Saving Time.
There’s also a strong correlation between Western cultures and having adopted the practice.
Children ? What about egg laying hens ? They’ll be all whack-a-do’d again and the price of eggs will go up.
I don't think it means anything, but I posted the information because you brought it up.
My point is that if there is such a tangible benefit to Daylight Savings Time, then why have it end this weekend at all? Just leave the clocks one hour ahead, right?
Well...what do I know besides I’m thinking I ate something that has influenced what little intelligence I have today.
Arghhh, I give up.
LOL
Funny you should mention it.
In fact, I’ve been a terrible insomniac since forever.
I wasn’t so much a problem child, as much as I was curious about everything and it never mattered what time it was.
my Mom was laughing about it the other day, while remarking she never imagined having a son 51 years old.
my sister, on the other hand, sleeps 10-12 hours a day, no matter what.
I couldn’t do it.
I’ll sleep when I’m dead.
And yes, getting up, in modern world, is strictly based on a clock.
In fact, we artificially manipulate time because if a clock.
But, without a clock I’d have other reasons to be hacked off at half the people I know, who are regularly late, which is a four letter word, causing me to think of 4 letter words when they demonstrate a habit of being late.
Only 240? heck we had that many in the first hour. We went thru 450 pieces in 1 hr and 50 min.
That’s a bunch! Mrs Kjam22 gives a couple or three pieces of candy to each kid. I just counted the kids. We went from about 6:15 to 8:30.
That's often less of a function of how far north you are than of how far west you are.
It's worth noting that time zones are a much bigger factor in determining the relationship between "clock time" and "solar time" (i.e., the time when the sun rises and sets) than the people who make these decisions about DST policy seem to realize.
Anyone who complains that it's still dark out at 7:00 AM may want to check a map and see where they live within a time zone. If you live in Fort Wayne (Indiana), for example, you are in the same Eastern Time Zone as New York City ... but you are nearly 700 miles further west. New York City has an earlier sunrise and an earlier sunset than Fort Wayne due to the curvature of the earth alone.
LOL. This is a very interesting thread in any case!
Crimea then?
You obviously live in a nice candy rich neighborhood.
Back in the day - when I ran asphalt crews - in the Spring the crew would inevitably have one or two that ‘forgot’ to set their clocks back on Sun AM so were late Mon AM. I used to counter by telling them that I was going to dock them but if they showed up an hour EARLY in the spring, I would pay them double. NEVER had to ‘pay’ more.
I am glad they finally stopped ‘ordering’ us to get up at 2AM to change the clocks.
I would have ‘bought’ that excuse, ‘that one was tired cause he had to get up at 2AM to change the clock etc’.
Like when ‘they’ first thrust this change upon us someone was heard to ask a farmer if he enjoyed the extra hour of sleep and he was heard to remark “Them cows and chickens can’t tell time, they get up when they get up and I have to get up when they get up”.
Just another ‘Government’ program that was supposed to do ‘good’ but turned out to be another pain, however slight....<: <: <:
And I believe the Steelers are the only team to have their emblem on only one side of the helmet, instead of both sides.
True.
True. Being self-centered, I noted how it is here, where I live. I had promised my daughter when she was in school and having to take a 6:30am bus that I’d drive her to school and we left precisely at 7am every day. Never once was it dark when we departed.
No matter, I just don’t like the short daylight days. This is my least favorite weekend of the whole year, even worse than 12/21 when at least you know it’s gonna head back in the right direction..
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