Posted on 09/02/2014 10:08:47 PM PDT by chessplayer
PHOENIX — A man who slept with a 20-year-old woman when he was 14 — and didn’t learn he was a father until eight years later — is now being forced to pay child support, the Arizona Republic reports.
Olivas, who said he was confused and going through a rough patch at that time of his life time, said the two went their separate ways after the encounter.
Arizona law says a child younger than 15 cannot consent to sexual relations with an adult under any circumstance.
All of it was put behind him, he thought, until two years ago he was served papers from the state demanding he pay child support.
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Really, men do get custody. But sadly, it is usually sought and obtained by wealthier men who want to dump their wife for a younger model, taking the kids away so the new couple can play happy family as if the first wife never existed. It may sound far-fetched to men who have been through the opposite situation, but women who live in big cities with lots of lawyers do have this happen if they marry a big lawyer, doctor executive or accountant — just the kind of guys their parents think will be a “good provider.”
That may be at the 1% or even 5%, but the vast majority of divorces end up with the mother getting custody. Thought experiment: Think of all the divorced couples you know and try to pick out a father who got custody.
Don’t know how you missed it.
How is 19 and 26 anything like 14 and 20? A nineteen year old man (one can smoke, sign a contract and enlist at 19) marrying a 26 year old woman is a COMPLETLY different animal than a child and an adult having sex. Or do you disagree?
that’s when they married...........
oh never mind, you are all emotional about the thing
“Emotional” about child rape? Guilty!
what matters now is the little girl which is the same thing the dad is saying.
Only if she decides to keep the child, in which case it most likely that her parent(s) or the welfare system would be the ones providing for the child materially. A 14-year-pld girl cannot even get a work permit in most states, nor sign a lease. Be realistic. A child is a child. A child cannot legally consent to potentially procreative sexual intercourse. Therefore they should not be penalized for the consequences if they were raped.
Horses**t. What matters now is that the state of Arizona is forcing a victim of child rape to pay his molester/rapist damages on top of the crime committed against him. If this had been a female victim I KNOW that you wouldn’t defend it.
Just the opposite. That's why they call it "statutory" and not "criminal" rape. Criminal rape is forced. Statutory rape may be agreed to by the child, but the STATUTE exists to protect the child, because the STATUTE says the child is not old enough to give legal consent.
Same thing, the child cannot agree therefore it is forced.
Of course I didn’t say underage sex with an older female seducer couldn’t adversely affect males, only that it may not be as traumatic as with females.
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Look here, he is the child’s dad, just like a female rape victim is the child’s mom. Both have a duty to support. The duty is to the child, the custodial parent stands in for the child in court. The legal analysis is not emotional. On any day of any year, this male even without education can earn more money digging a ditch than any female can with her little office job. He can make 50K driving large equipment. The dad paying what most men have stuck in their heads as appropriate child support of $300.00 a month or $3,600.00 a year is not going to kill him and will help the child.
You are correct. The other reason the men try to get the children is so they won’t have to pay child support.
I’m done arguing with you and the other guy. Please do not post to me again on this thread. I’m not going to “convince” you and you sure as Hell aren’t going to change my mind about child rape.
I do acknowledge that a successful custody suit is not an affordable propostion for many or most dads. A contested custody suit can cost $80,000 or more. On the other hand, there is the biological difference in the situation as well. Men are statistically more likely to "act out" by commiting adultery; women are more likely to stay in the marriage but become a nag. Women with children may also be less able to create an employment scenario that would enable them to leave with enough resources to support the kids and pay for childcare during work. So, even though there is "no-fault" law, the one who feels or looks the guiltiest of adultery or abandonment still gets the short end, regardless of the actual dynamics of the relationship. Or, if a judge who is a divorced guy himself favors the man, and this does happen from time to time, or the judge is a rabid feminist who thinks women should be CEOs and motherhood is an embarassment, the one who looks most like he or she can support the child will get the custody.
You must agree that divorce is a no-win situation all the way around. Nobody can possibly emerge unscathed, except for sociopaths. And while it is tempting for battle-scarred exes to think the other ex is a sociopath, in reality, everybody feels cheated and robbed. Especially the kids. I seriously recommend pre-marital instruction and long engagements without premarital sex for most people. We all hear plenty of sad stories from divorced dads and moms and kids. The current model of hopping into bed, getting all involved, and then getting married when a kid is on the way (or ready for school) is just not working.
If divorce is absolutely inevitable, I recommend counseling and mediation to work out the agreement if at all possible.
Statutory rape is not forced in the physical sense. If it were, it would be called something else in the various state codes, such as sexual assault.
There is a distinction between the term "forcible rape", which means the victim yelled "no, no, no!" and cried and clearly did not want the rape forced upon her or him, and statutory rape, in which a minor agrees or allows the sex to take place, but is legally too young (or, in the case of mental retardation, too disabled) to make an informed consent decision. It is the law that is broken, not the will of the victim. There need not be any force in the physical sense for a statutory rape to take place.
You merely suggested it; I wanted to make clear for the many others who may read the thread that research has found that it does adversely affect males. They may be even less able than females to confide in parents or other teachers for help, as well, adding to their confusion and difficulty processing the events. They may also be stalked and threatened if they try to end it. Parents need to inform and protect their sons as well as their daughters.
A local school had one of those pervert female teachers who seduced a 15-year-old boy, and I can tell you that all the upper school, not just the victim, were greatly disrupted. Even some boys who had been interested in that field of science that she taught were put off of it by the turmoil.
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