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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Jesus H Christ. They won't be satisfied until we are replaced as an entire race, by machines.

I am here to tell you, the AntiChrist will be a computer.

5 posted on 08/07/2014 11:59:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz

Hey, Laz! I like the juxtaposition of ‘Jesus H Christ’ and ‘AntiChrist’ in the same post. :^)


8 posted on 08/07/2014 12:00:54 PM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (Liars use facts when the truth doesn't suit their purposes.)
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To: Lazamataz

The beginnings of the Matrix?

Or is this the chip from Terminator II?

Anyone seen any naked Austrian muscle men running around?


13 posted on 08/07/2014 12:08:25 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Lazamataz

http://www.amazon.com/Our-Final-Invention-Artificial-Intelligence/dp/0312622376
Our Final Invention: Artificial Intelligence and the End of the Human Era

A review:
http://www.realcleartechnology.com/articles/2013/12/06/our_final_invention_how_the_human_race_goes_and_gets_itself_killed_816.html


15 posted on 08/07/2014 12:10:46 PM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Lazamataz

It is interesting you say that on this particular day...

I was just thinking about you, and guys like yourself who have IT/data management background(?)...that is, if past impressions I have of what could be part of your own skill-set are close to accurate.

We need spies in the camps of the enemy... with yourself coming to mind after having perused various articles & info just recently.

Earlier today I began to look into the Democrat Party-pushing 'BattleGround Texas' outfit, who as this article http://www.texastribune.org/2014/02/14/case-missing-democratic-voters/ (and many others) mentions was

What makes these people (not only 'BattleGround Texas') formidable is the mass of data which they assemble, somehow collating the information to tie to individual voters specifically.

It doesn't matter all that much that they are sorting people into groups (which sounds justifiable & innocent enough) when the sorting itself is being driven by accumulated, data-mined, individual specific characteristics peculiar to individuals who in the end do retain their own individual identification information ---- in order to be mailed/emailed to, or receive a phone call if one is special type of 'mark' which they are interested in playing.

After a while...once more people catch one to what is happening, it will make the 'card-check' union voting intimidation/muscling look weak in comparison. 'Hello, this is Bruce from Central Party In Power. We want to thank you for your past support. Could we depend on you to continue? We do need donations and for people to get involved also. If you would like to help us, refer a friend and give them this unique code number so we'll know who our friends are whom to thank."

Couple that with political enemies being quite visibly attacked every 'ol which-a-way -- with IRS rectal orifice exams for initial retribution/punishment/control but just one of the first steps "they" would take in combating anyone who would dare challenge them -- and even right NOW TODAY the Party in power getting away with using the IRS in that manner all but scott-free, things are more likely than not going to get worse from here on out if we don't somehow stop them. Once they become more ensconced in power, then the neo-liberal neo-fascist vice-grip will not be easily dislodged from the body politic.

Short of the worst of it how it could rapidly evolve to be, getting back more to how it is today as to the processing and sorting of info; some groups of people receive generic sort of campaign message email, other groups receive messages custom-tailored to themselves. It is already happening on a large scale, hiding the more micro-scale personal aspect or the larger effort.

One tactic mentioned I found particularly troubling was the use the name of an individual known to be in the same group whom the targeted recipient is, and whom they may personally know used as opening salutation and/or "return address", making the message come across like it was from or being forwarded by a trusted friend or acquaintance, instead of coming from the political ORG directly.

I should search for where--in what article I just today came across that -- and make a copy before it gets scrubbed? In a way, that's already old news, for some time back I have heard of that tricky salutation/fake return address sort of thing before...but like every other Democrat Party dirty-trick, if it's not swept under the rug and/or ignored, it is justified or even championed as being "brilliant" when they do it.

Marketers are doing similar (minus for the most part the faux-personalized -- "Hi, this is from your neighbor Becky, down the street") but the political advocacy ORGs that are working chiefly for the Democrat Party are way ahead of the purely market-driven sellers of good & services in overall targeting scheme, I think. It only makes sense that they are or would be, for compared to marketing cans of chili, or new furniture, appliances, automobiles, etc., politics is more universal and specialized at the same time -- with only two major 'customers groups' for the end product --- Democrat or Republican.

The more youthful go-getters who are both capable of high level IT collation, and who think little of massaging the message think themselves brilliant and fully justified in whatever they may say or do, as long as it hurts those bad, bad Republicans. 'Merica should be punished, or at least that's what they have been told all their lives..?

When guys like Obama have friends/operatives like Valerie Jarret telling us after Obama won the first time around, that they would reward their supporters and punish their "enemies", that is the toothy part of "the beast" who comes to punish -- then forever after (if they could get away with it) Lord it over EVERYONE.

The harassment and stymieing suffered by conservative political groups at the hands of IRS, as bad as that is, is merely the beginning of sorrows, in a way.

Jeremy Bird is one of the founders, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bird

and almost-innocent sounding on the surface, but which I still find chilling;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/01/31/the-exciting-war-to-make-secretaries-of-state-more-boring/

"...In December 2012, two longtime Democratic strategists started the SoS (Secretary of State) for Democracy super PAC, which plans to be involved in six races -- including Ohio and Iowa.

Why has a series of elections known to send the most aerobic of election-year browser refreshers into a deep sleep suddenly taken on the contours of a close Senate contest? Blame a string of events that started with the 2000 presidential election and reached their climax with the current battle over voting rights. ..."

where after mentioning the various things that State level SoS's do, such as;

The Constitution states, "the Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof," and in 38 states, secretaries of state are tasked with carrying out the will of the legislature and orchestrating the complex system that decides who gets to run the country.

Most secretaries of state are elected or appointed by the governor, which means the party affiliation of a state's chief election officer often sways with the party affiliation of the state's elected leaders. Although state legislatures are responsible for the voter-ID laws that proved the backbone of the voting-rights battle, secretaries of state have many duties that give them outsize influence over a voter's experience at the polls.

the Democrats are still looking back to Al Gore's loss to W. in Florida in 2000, thinking there was cheating going on on the part of the Republican Party(?) when in actual fact the reverse is true --- in that the Democrats wanted to 'recount' only those counties where Gore stood a chance to pick up votes, and to do this on a 3rd recount, etc., not to mention hanging chads, swinging chads, dimpled chads (by golly the voter intended to vote for Gore) etc. But the widely held belief that Republicans cheated in that contest has been used to justify every electoral crime and offense the Democrat Party and it's affiliate supporters have engaged in since...

They will now do and justify anything to get their own political Party in position of complete and utter stranglehold on all levers of power, congratulating themselves all along the way of how so very enlightened and "right" they all are, justifying all the lies that have told to convince people to continue support of the Democrats. They see those things not as lies, but 'control of the narrative' and the like, fooling themselves most of all in the process, leading this nation ever closer to the edges of oblivion -- for Democrats cannot be held accountable, and if there is no Republican to blame, then nothing gets done to address whatever problems there other than remedies supplied/applied which make the overall situation of the nation even worse.

As the last [above] article continued [underlining and bolding for emphasis added];

As Steve Rosenthal, one of the founders of SoS for Democracy, notes, "Their powers often include controlling the certification of names of candidates on the ballot and ballot proposals/initiatives, maintaining the lists of registered voters in their state, overseeing voter registration procedures, conducting recounts, overseeing the testing and implementation of voting machines, as well as certifying and registering campaign expenditure reports by both candidates and outside groups. "

It is not who votes that matters, but who gets to count votes?

Which is why these outside groups are so eager to have a say in who will hold this power in crucial swing states.

Wendy Weiser, who heads the democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice, says that the contested voting results in Florida that prompted Bush v. Gore “drew attention to the fact that elections could be manipulated to partisan political advantage." Six years later, a group called the Secretary of State project appeared, determined to flip election management back to Democrats in states like Minnesota, Colorado, and Ohio.

THEY want to manage it? More like they want to make sure they can massage the vote counting itself, along with the message!

Would we expect the Beast to be anything but the most skillful of liars? But whoever that person turns out to be (if it ever is a person rather than a system?) then what is needed is the armies of sycophants to keep spreading the message(s) and enforcing the will of the Beast.

Now here's where a skilled data-base guy could come in. We need an eagle to swoop on the Bird? Or at least an eagle-eyed hunter who could coax boastful little birdies into singing (after a few too many beers, of course).

Think too on what information is here; http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-26/trailer-park-to-harvard-put-bird-on-course-to-change-u-s-.html

Jeremy Bird says he wants to change the world one data point at a time.

Fundamentally change/transform not only the nation (but the world), eh? Who does that remind us of?

Fresh from his post as national field director for President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign, Bird and his partners have started a consulting firm, 270 Strategies, to leverage what they learned during six years of targeting and turning out voters, and apply it to a for-profit model.

They plan to blend the door-knocking tenacity of a Chicago precinct captain with the sophisticated identification and turnout tools that made Obama’s campaign the envy of the political world. Their approach often meant having more than 500 data points on a single voter, from his reading habits to his opinions on the economy.

Ok THAT is where we need a spy.

500 data points?

Name, age, address, political affiliation, twitter comments, online forum comments (they quite possibly track people) comments made on Amazon.com as to books read (bought?), desired (hey, they said they were looking into people's reading lists!)

Where does it stop?

Would anyone think that it stops merely at the borders of those whom they wish to target to solicit donations from, to specifically tailor "massage" to in order to inspire a person to volunteer (then they really are psychologically committed and will recruit others to believe and repeat the lies that are foundational for the likes of Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Holder, on down the line).

I'm fairly certain they assemble enemies lists -- not just as to digging up dirt on electoral candidates themselves. We have already seem smear campaigns aimed at donors. Why should we think that individual voters are not next?

So again, what we need are some spies who could infiltrate and examine the data-bases for evidence of how those are assembled.

If the electorate of the nation got a whiff of how much they were being tracked, and that it was not the NSA or the evil-boll weevil Koch Bro's who were doing it, but instead it was moderately shadowy political operatives who had whored themselves out to the Democrat Party machine -- and would likely collate some of the same info to sell to marketers for yet more specific targeted advertisement, the news of this could hurt the Dems, and slow the growth of The Beast?

Take a gander at where this "270 Strategies" located their main office.

Zoom in on click and what appears in the same building but (offices for?) U.S. House of Representatives.

Though you might not be able to personally, directly gather up more precise info on the inner workings of 270 Strategies and the like, I want to encourage you to stay on the lookout for young turks in the IT world whom may so that you could encourage them to do what is right. Perhaps some lurker will read this, and then think about it? I'm not expressing myself all that well..I admit, and there is much all more than I would know or could say about this if I did know...but if Admin's like the present one are allowed to control the press (and intimidate reporters or else shuffle them fully off to the side) while they simultaneously stay in campaign/attack mode, while building database on individual citizens too -- then by all indications and sign, things will only get worse, even as those "in power" fool themselves into thinking it's all for the best -- not all that much differently than the proles went along with the Communist Party in Russia, and in Germany most everyone was in one way or another herded into doing the Fascists' bidding.

These data-gatherers like 270 Strategies need their techniques to be stripped naked and exposed. Even if there were...they likely would have excuses for the nakedness??? Woe is us...

Everyone more or less expects "Twitter-feed" sort of comments to be public knowledge.

What they may not expect is having those comments tied to past Amazon book purchases, wish lists, and comments left there.

How much a Google side-door "feed" is there? Wouldn't Google sell information on browsing history and the like? They already sell ads to venders based on viewing histories. Deleting cookies does not break the chain, for Google remembers which links one has hit.

How far does the rabbit hole really go? Are there side-doors accessible to upper level NSA -- who can then funnel off 'data' to political officers -- all done without a trace? If not now, for how much longer can we expect the huge amounts of data the NSA absorbs to be kept separate? Meanwhile, while those in power would look to use that huge pile for their own political & domestic agendas, who is sifting and analyzing well enough that which could develop into real threats?

How many years before the government can do away with cash money? Once that is accomplished, the Beast will have all the food it could ever eat. Stick a fork in us, for we'd all be done.

Bernardine Dohrn might dig that, but I don't.

29 posted on 08/07/2014 6:13:34 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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