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No apology: Japan deserved Enola Gay's visit
The Hook ^ | December 11, 2003 | Neil Steinberg

Posted on 08/06/2014 8:52:08 PM PDT by right-wing agnostic

There's a museum in Tokyo dedicated to Japan's ample history of warfare. But if you visit the plainly named Military Museum, you'll find no reference to the grotesque medical experiments the Japanese army conducted in World War II or the sex slaves it kidnapped.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: atomicbomb; enolagay; hiroshima; nagasaki
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Harry Truman really had no choice but to order the atomic bombs be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To invade Japan would have taken years and cost countless lives. The dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki undoubtedly saved tens of thousands of American lives and probably saved Japanese lives, too. Americans should not feel guilty that our leaders used the tools necessary to end the bloodiest war in human history. FYI, my paternal grandfather's first cousin survived Pearl Harbor so I think the Japanese got exactly what they deserved. Napoleon was correct: WAR IS HELL. Considering the alternative, anyone who blames the United States for the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan is morally bankrupt./rwa
1 posted on 08/06/2014 8:52:09 PM PDT by right-wing agnostic
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To: right-wing agnostic

Obama already apologized on behalf of the United States.

Press here didn’t cover it.

2 posted on 08/06/2014 8:56:57 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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Some people.push revisionist history, and tell us Japan was on the verge of surrender. Not sure of their sources in that. But even if true there was no way for us to have known that at the time.

3 posted on 08/06/2014 8:57:45 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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Fewer and fewer people today have first hand knowledge that the japanese were little more than vicious bloodthirsty nazi’s with slanty eyes that deserved every fast neutron and gamma ray that came their way. My family was touched by it firsthand.

4 posted on 08/06/2014 8:58:20 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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5 posted on 08/06/2014 9:00:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: right-wing agnostic

They asked for it — and they got it.

6 posted on 08/06/2014 9:01:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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It’s not even open to question

And I’m thankful that HST made the decision (although he realistically didn’t have a choice) My Dad likely would have been in that invasion force. Far better the Japanese than him.

Case closed.

7 posted on 08/06/2014 9:03:13 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Get rid of "birthright citizenship" Out of room . . . no mas)
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I have pictures of the mass graves found in Indonesia. My grandfather told me that you could smell the death and know the Japs had been there and worked the locals to death building their fortifications. Same thing in China. Everywhere they went, death followed in a way similar to the Nazis. The japs were xenophobic and looked down on other Asians, especially with the sweep of communism. It was a weak and pathetic system. The level of barbarism practiced by Japanese soldiers is rarely discussed, but I carry picture proof of it. Those poor souls left to die in the street, not even given burial rights. That alone is an unforgivable sin and shows that anyone not Japanese was lower than a dog.

I have this photo of a tank company rolling into town and you clearly see the bloated corpse of a local just laying in the street. My Grandfather pointed to it and told me this was almost every town the Americans came through. The cleanup of bodies was horrid work, dumping human meat that were once souls into pits because there wasn’t enough time or resources for proper burial.

8 posted on 08/06/2014 9:03:15 PM PDT by drunknsage
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My father was in the Navy in the South Pacific. If Truman hadn’t dropped the bomb, I might not be here.

9 posted on 08/06/2014 9:05:26 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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Two bombs ended it. Period.

Saved a lot of dead people (on both sides) and postwar BS.

10 posted on 08/06/2014 9:06:48 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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By the time Pear Harbor came along, Japan had been at war for 10 years in China.

When they invaded Hong Kong and Singapore the troopers of the Japanese Imperial Army burst into hospitals and simply bayonetted patients right in their beds as they were being cared for.

After the Atomic Bombings in fact there was great celebration in much of Asia.

The American view of warfare in Asia at that general time starts on Dec. 7th and ends with Nagasaki. That is appropriate somehow but that view is skewed.

There are 100 wonderful things about Japan but accurate widespread teaching of Japan’s role in Asia is….so/so. There has been no process of reflection in Japan on her role, as took place in Germany and with things afoot in Asia again, well…such reflection would not now be constructive, probably.

11 posted on 08/06/2014 9:08:07 PM PDT by gaijin
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“and tell us Japan was on the verge of surrender.”

Yeah right. They were so close to surrender that they didn’t surrender after the Hiroshima bomb. We demanded unconditional surrender, they wouldn’t. The second bomb made them rethink

12 posted on 08/06/2014 9:09:13 PM PDT by Figment
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Japan was a terrible enemy, and is still widely hated in Asia for her crimes of WWII.

My uncle survived the Bataan Death March, only to be taken to Japan to work as a slave in their mines. When repatriated, he looked like a Dachau survivor.

Funny to think how much Japan (and Germany) benefited from ‘The Allies’ winning the war: both countries are now thriving democracies. Where would their own people be today if they had won the war? Likely, both Jap and Nazi populations would have been living a somewhat ‘Soviet Era USSR’ type existence.

13 posted on 08/06/2014 9:10:03 PM PDT by InkStone (Omni Vivum Ex Surfboard)
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14 posted on 08/06/2014 9:17:30 PM PDT by drunknsage
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Less than 1% of US teachers understand why Japan REALLY surrendered.

The Atomic bombings made a HUGE impression on the Japanese, but they were not the key reason:

The Churchill/FDR/Stalin meeting at Potsdam stipulated that after the defeat of Germany the USSR would make haste to assist the Brits and the US in the fall of Japan.

With Stalin’s grab of Eastern Europe becoming more and more obvious, the American side naturally wondered what a post-war Japan would look like: Germany itself and Korea had not yet been carved up but there was strong foreshadowing of events there:

If Stalin’s contributions to Japan’s fall were strong, Japan would clearly have to be subdivided.

How much? Less if her fall came sooner, and more if her fall involved Stalin more.

The Japanese made inquiries about whether or not a surrender to the USA could include a continuation of the Emperor system, and the answer was positive.

She surrendered and Japan remained whole —almost:

The only truly Japanese islands she lots are still lost to this day —to *Russia*, north of Hokkaido.

If Japan had been told clearly that the whole Imperial Family would be destroyed it is very likely we would have seen a North Japan/South Japan divide, just like we see in Korea to this day.

The bombs made a huge contribution to her defeat but there was some very important politics going on, behind the scenes.

15 posted on 08/06/2014 9:19:59 PM PDT by gaijin
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Who are the dead in this picture?

16 posted on 08/06/2014 9:20:21 PM PDT by EinNYC
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I’d say Japanese troopers.

Not our guys.

17 posted on 08/06/2014 9:24:03 PM PDT by gaijin
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True. When you think of the Germans and Japanese, there is a common thread. A rabid ideology, combined with utterly ruthless cruelty. Nowadays, Germans and Japs are the nicest people you could ever meet. They make nice cars and electronics. They are both nearly crime free and basically pacifist to almost a fault.
The good solid ass whooping they both got is the common denominator. Flattened every town in Germany. Nuked and burned and starved Japan.

Now today, in modern times, is there a culture that is driven by a raid genocidal culture? Who craves world domination? Who exhibit utter inhuman ruthlessness?
I like to think that we missed a golden opportunity after 9/11. Mecca, Medina, and Islamabad should have been flattened with ICBMs without comment and every Saudi dollar findable should have been confiscated.

With short overwhelming nation conquering, making Islam illegal violence, we really could make those people nice. I know, “its a religion”,,yada yada,,. But we outlawed Nazi stuff after we conquered Germany. Besides, its not true anyway,,,,outlaw it.

18 posted on 08/06/2014 9:32:38 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Theodore Van Kirk (February 27, 1921 – July 28, 2014)

19 posted on 08/06/2014 9:36:47 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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Nope. The first one wasn’t enough for ‘em. Harry T. then gave the sneaky Japs one more chance to quit, (imm. following bomb number one), with his: ....”If they do not now accept our terms, they can expect a rain of ruin from the air the likes never before seen on this earth”....GREAT speech. Still no uncle so.........BOMBS OVER TOKYO!!!!! (Remember that old saying?) They than had enough. I can’t stand these limp dicks who whine and snivel every August that it was wrong to finish the Japs off with Fat Man and Little Boy. Bull Crap. They started the damn war, the Mighty USA finished it. Case Closed.

20 posted on 08/06/2014 10:03:42 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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