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To: Mase

What “facts” have you produced, again?

Stop making baseless claims. HFCS and honey are absolutely not the same thing; not even close. For one, the water content is radically different (raw honey at far less than 14 percent, while HFCS is at 24 percent or higher); for another HFCS does not contain honey’s amino acids or vitamins (honey contains all of the B complex); for yet another, HFCS is not as alkaline as honey; and yet another, honey will remain utterly pathogen-free and even produces peroxides that kill many harmful microorganisms.

So far, it’s only your opinion that the reaction of HCl with free fructose (sans any buffering agents) cannot produce enough 5-HMF to result in levels that can be carcinogenic.

The matter of the government subsidizing corn resulting in making HFCS cheaper than sucrose or other more natural sweeteners is a direct consequence of their following the Communist Manifesto. There is no other explanation or conclusion. It’s not a conservative standpoint to countenance this just on that matter alone, separate from whatever ill effects may result from consuming HFCS, which are not acute (nor have I claimed them to be).

I am not incorrect with respect to natural foods not containing high doses of simple sugars, especially when unbuffered and especially compared to other contents, which work against the production of 5-HMF.


88 posted on 08/04/2014 3:16:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
The matter of the government subsidizing corn resulting in making HFCS cheaper than sucrose or other more natural sweeteners is a direct consequence of their following the Communist Manifesto.

Ummmmmm......government subsidies of corn did not make HFCS cheaper than sugar.

Government protecting sugar producers by restricting sugar imports made sugar so expensive, that HFCS became an economical substitute.

Why won't you explain how quickly sucrose is broken down in your gut into those evil simple sugars?

Is it that you don't know?

Or did you find the answer and realize it destroys your claims?

89 posted on 08/04/2014 4:39:35 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Olog-hai
HFCS and honey are absolutely not the same thing; not even close

Never said they were the same thing, but, yeah, they are very close.

HFCS does not contain honey’s amino acids or vitamins (honey contains all of the B complex)

LOL. All those amino acids, vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants represent a whopping .50 g out of 100 grams of honey. Does the term straining at a gnat mean anything to you? Like I said before, HFCS is not meaningfully different in composition or metabolism than honey.

While Toddsterpatriot waits for you to answer his question (hint: HFCS and sucrose have the same GI), I'm still waiting for you to show us how HFCS imparts well over ten times the normal amount of free simple sugars to anything it’s added to. That's high quality nonsense you got right thar.

So far, it’s only your opinion that the reaction of HCl with free fructose (sans any buffering agents) cannot produce enough 5-HMF to result in levels that can be carcinogenic.

Now it's only fructose that causes this deadly reaction, and it must be qualified so that there are no other "buffering agents" - whatever that means - to interfere with the carcinogens being formed. Maybe you don't realize it, but you're really hacking now. Forming hydroxymethylfurfural from HCL and sugar will work in a lab, in a beaker, but transferring those results to the human body is a stretch that you can't make.....IMHO, of course. Do you realize that the air you breathe and the water you drink contains benzene? Yup, it's true. Now, Mr, Natural, is benzene a powerful carcinogen or not? Oh Noes!!

I am not incorrect with respect to natural foods not containing high doses of simple sugars

You are incorrect about so many things. Most recently, you were woefully misguided about how HFCS came to be commercialized. And now you want us to believe that fruits, vegetables, herbs and legumes are not natural? I think you throw up all kinds of qualifiers and caveats as a defense mechanism when someone points out your many misunderstandings.

90 posted on 08/04/2014 6:12:15 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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