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To: Olog-hai
Funny that I need to “improve (my) sources” while you throw USDA data at me.

Yeah, your sources for information have you saying ridiculous things on this thread like hydroxymethylfurfural is formed in the stomach in amounts that can be considered carcinogenic.

Now if you have something that shows the USDA chart is incorrect, let's see it. Otherwise, we'll go with the USDA's chart that proves another one of your ridiculous claims was, well, ridiculous.

Comparing honey to HFCS is as “confused” as one can get. The latter never contains the amino acids, electrolytes and other buffering agents that honey does.

Oh, good grief, take an ex-lax will ya. HFCS is not meaningfully different in composition or metabolism from honey. Honey is a free sugar comprised mostly of fructose and glucose, just like HFCS. As a matter of fact, the ratio of fructose/glucose in honey, (1.22) is exactly the same as the HFCS used to sweeten beverages (HFCS 55). Yeah, honey contains some small quantities of amino acids, vitamins, minerals and antioxidants. But that really isn't germane to our discussion. The small amounts of amino acids found in honey are of little nutritional significance.

The chemical composition of honey is regularly compared to that of HFCS. You would know that if you used more informed sources.

Never mind what Proverbs 25:16 says about consuming excessive amounts of honey in particular.

Does it say anything about consuming too much water? How about too much salt? Those things can be bad for you as well if you ingest too much of them.

Same with comparing the fructose content in rather large servings of fruits and vegetables, also mixed in with starches and other complex sugars...

But you were the one who said that very few real foods have high amounts of simple sugars occurring naturally. Once again, you're incorrect. I see a recurring theme here involving your questionable sources.

when it is eaten in that context, the amount of free fructose is combined with other ingredients that react with the HCl in stomach acid first.

In what context, then, does simple sugars combining with HCL in the stomach create 5-HMF in quantities that could be considered carcinogenic? I don't believe that HCL in the gut even does this, but who am I to question your sources? ROFL.

If what the Communist Manifesto clearly states does not startle you, especially in relation to the level of government involvement in agriculture

I think government should stay out of agriculture, but government interference in agriculture has been going on for a long time - even long before WWII. Of course, your initial comment about this was directed at the “combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries”. There was no mention of government like there is now. You have a habit of changing your story. Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean by using the term "combination." Food manufacturers and the agriculture industry have been very close for hundreds of years. Just like everything else you've said here, I think you fear the things you don't understand.

Learn some basic biochemistry before continuing to blindly trust the government.

Does providing you with facts equate to blindly trusting the government in your tin foil world? I did manage to take out some government backed loans to finish my grad degree in biochemistry, focused in food science. Does that make me a part of the communist manifesto?

Find. New. Sources.

87 posted on 08/04/2014 2:54:56 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

What “facts” have you produced, again?

Stop making baseless claims. HFCS and honey are absolutely not the same thing; not even close. For one, the water content is radically different (raw honey at far less than 14 percent, while HFCS is at 24 percent or higher); for another HFCS does not contain honey’s amino acids or vitamins (honey contains all of the B complex); for yet another, HFCS is not as alkaline as honey; and yet another, honey will remain utterly pathogen-free and even produces peroxides that kill many harmful microorganisms.

So far, it’s only your opinion that the reaction of HCl with free fructose (sans any buffering agents) cannot produce enough 5-HMF to result in levels that can be carcinogenic.

The matter of the government subsidizing corn resulting in making HFCS cheaper than sucrose or other more natural sweeteners is a direct consequence of their following the Communist Manifesto. There is no other explanation or conclusion. It’s not a conservative standpoint to countenance this just on that matter alone, separate from whatever ill effects may result from consuming HFCS, which are not acute (nor have I claimed them to be).

I am not incorrect with respect to natural foods not containing high doses of simple sugars, especially when unbuffered and especially compared to other contents, which work against the production of 5-HMF.


88 posted on 08/04/2014 3:16:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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