Posted on 07/18/2014 1:04:10 PM PDT by PoloSec
Great post.
I think it’s inordinately clear, wideawake blamed the death of the victim on the victim right from the beginning.
Look at the date and comments made at post#2 by wideawake.
This individual has a clear pattern of backing and supporting law enforcement regardless of facts, tactics or what occurred.
When everything seemed to fail, with video and heavy handed tactics looking real bad, the victims background in brought in to discredit them. Even if it has zip to do with a certain incident/event...The media/government does this all the time...Every day. They are experts at it.
I have to say that a lot of the commentary on this thread is deeply irrational.
If you actually watch the heavily edited video (and it was heavily edited by someone with an anti-police agenda, and probably leaves out footage complimentary to the police and detrimental to the crook), it is remarkable how professionally Garner was treated.
The entire sequence from the beginning of the takedown, to Garner experiencing distress, to alerting EMS took about 15 seconds.
A careful analysis of the available video also shows that there was no "choke hold" but a headlock.
There were no heavy handed tactics.
That's kind of the point.
All the "analysis" of this video has been uninformed, emotional, and flawed from the beginning.
And, again, it's not Garner's "fault" that he is dead.
There is no one to blame, because his death was a matter of statistical regression.
Look soundasleep, most on this site know you’re a party groupie and apologist for all the kings men...It’s no secret.
Run along and bother someone else for a while..
Perhaps it would be best for you to leave the thread, since you are not interested in analyzing this news article in the way that a grownup would.
What a phoney you are!
You couldn't make up your mind on the issue until you spend days deliberating?
As you said earlier, you "already had" my "number."
So give us a break about who had a settled opinion first.
We both did.
Your position is to demand everyone obeys the cops or die, immediate comply or be killed.
You are deliberately and calculatedly misstating my opinion because you can only deal with strawmen.
Again, no one killed Eric Garner.
Eric Garner died of a heart attack, a heart attack which could have happened at literally any moment.
But I do think that if you're being arrested, the time to protest your arrest is at your arraignment.
Fighting the police will not help you evade arrest, it will multiply the charges against you, and it will make you more liable to be convicted.
Do you disagree? If you were ever arrested on what you believe are bogus grounds, do you think you could talk or fight your way out of it?
Go flip your minnow Clyde.
Section 203-11 of the NYPD Patrol Guide is clear:
“Members of the New York City Police Department will not use choke holds. A choke hold shall include, but is not limited to, any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs2xuuKCIAABh7S.jpg:medium
Why do you jump to the belief this was a heart attack? What part of a chokehold for an unarmed man selling untaxed cigarettes is jusified?
I agree with your points some of the time, but on this, your head is firmly up where the sun doesn’t shine.
How about just talking to him til his adrenaline from breaking up a fight dissipates? Or is that asking too much of the thugs’ valuable time? Or maybe even just tell him to come talk to them after he had calmed down? Why is it that your ilk thinks every bit of thuggish behavior is somehow justified no matter the outcome? I used to have a whole heap of respect for your opinions but you just blew that clean over into the next county.
” But we are all subject to the law.
If he wanted to argue the law, the correct place was in a court of law.”
However wideawake your explanation is flawed as you seem to view absolute compliance with and arresting officer is required by all.
You fail to to explain why your statement “If he wanted to argue the law, the correct place was in a court of law.”
Does that not to apply to the officers administering the law enforcement duties. You seem to believe it applies only to the SUSPECTED law breaker... at least from the law books and legal definitions as determined by you. SCOTUS would argue that with you, as it is pretty much a one on one chance until the suspect is CONVICTED.
If they would have sprayed him with bear spray he would be compliant, alive, and facing court instead of dead.
Bear Spray will/has stopped POLAR BEARS of 1200 lbs why would it not stop a 400 lbs suspect?
He would have choked, maybe vomited mucus, gasp for air, but a couple of cups of water would wash it away.
Bears live with no help in washing it off, and leave all the time. The main thing is they do not want to be sprayed again so calm down and leave.
People are incapacitated but alive and after 30 minutes of water washing (or so). They are then very compliant.
But alive.
Hey wideawake, I couldn’t help but notice you were mysteriously missing from all these followup threads.
Did ya forget to show up and defend all your corrupt government unionized friends?
Police Chokehold Killed Eric Garner, Medical Examiner Rules
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3188019/posts
Eric Garner’s death in NYPD chokehold case ruled a homicide
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3188245/posts
Man Who Shot Eric Garner Chokehold Video Arrested
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3188583/posts
Cops go after man who made the video:
Chokehold witness says cops taunted him: ‘Karma’s a bitch’
http://nypost.com/2014/08/04/chokehold-witness-says-cops-taunted-him-karmas-a-bitch/
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