Posted on 07/12/2014 4:42:32 PM PDT by equalator
Two North Carolina men are facing the death penalty in the murder of a young volunteer firefighter last December - but the victim’s wife says she has already forgiven them.
Jalend Turner, 19, and Khari McClelland, 23, have been charged with first-degree murder for allegedly gunning down 25-year-old Marcus Kauffman during a burglary at his Rowan County home in December 2013.
Kauffman, who served on the Scotch Irish Volunteer Fire Department, was shot in the head and died three weeks later from his injuries at Carolinas Medical Center.
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That's why criminal charges are "State vs. _____".
Let the State send them to God.
I myself have every wish that these two scumbags ask and are given God's forgiveness. I hope they spend eternity in Heaven.
I'd also damn well hang them.
I’m saying our country is very weak and people are getting very lukewarm. Nobody pushes back. When Jesus comes back, he’s going to knock the Earth out of orbit and kill off about 3/4 of the planet (I know, I read ahead )
This is not true. Jesus forgave people even as they were torturing Him to death, with no indication in the Gospels that they had repented. And Stephen forgave them who were stoning him to death. Again, no indication that they had repented.
This does not mean "Everything's OK" and as Pope Benedict XVI said, "Forgiveness is not a substitute for justice." Even the repentant "thief" who was crucified next to Jesus, said he himself deserved the punishment for what he had done, and he got it. Jesus did not miraculously release this man from his cross, even though he DID repent.
What these two murderers did was deserving of hell. The fact that this good Christian woman forgave them, does not change that.
Exactly. it’s like Stockholm syndrome
I guess Jesus and Stephen had a problem understanding the plain language of the Bible?
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The legal system does not judge a man’s immortal soul. God does that. We merely speed up the introduction at times...
There should not be confusion between forgiveness and clemency. Forgiveness is within the heart of someone who has been trespassed against; it is their way of liberating themselves from hatred against those who trespassed against them; as well as hoping that those who trespassed will themselves seek salvation.
Clemency should only be given to those who were denied fair justice and judgment. It does not come from the victim, nor should the victim be allowed to mitigate the punishment. For the reason that this trial, conviction and sentences were not done by the victims, but the state acting on their behalf.
While a person was murdered, this was an offense against the state. So it is the state that gives justice and judgment. And it is the state that decides if clemency is warranted.
Jesus was a special case as I’m sure you’ll agree. And St. Stephen was free to forgive them as was his right.
But the plain language of the Bible says otherwise. You can look it up for yourself. Absolutely nothing in Scripture requires this kind of blanket forgiveness. Nothing.
It’s not forbidden, but it certainly isn’t required.
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yes last time I checked, Samson didn’t forgive the philistines. He beat them to death. I’m surprised David didn’t write a Psalm about that
“Jesus forgave people even as they were torturing Him to death”
Jesus said “Father forgive them...” he didn’t say “Father, I forgive them.”. A bit of a difference there. Wouldn’t you agree?
Yes, the idea they you must forgive everyone is ludicrous. You forgive those that repent and ask for forgiveness.
You are correct but “love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you” means that it is really up to the individual to decide what love to them means. Forgiveness can be just as much for the victim as the perps and it prevent the victim them from being overtaken by bitterness and anger. If while we were yet sinners Christ died for us then certainly she is following that example if she chooses forgiveness above hate. As for those two they better get on their knees because her forgiveness will not buy them the forgiveness they really need!
I watch a lot of ID TV and some of the victim’s families say that the Bible says to forgive the murderers and so they shouldn’t receive the death sentence. I don’t understand that; to me, you can forgive someone of a horrible crime but that doesn’t mean they don’t have to pay.
Please quit posting material from Daily Mail in the main forum. It’s mostly tabloid crap that belongs in chat.
I remember this case.
What this woman says makes a good example of why the state, representing all the people, prosecutes crime - not just the individuals affected.
I doubt Jesus has had to forgive this woman for shooting a man in the back.
And I most certainly agree that there can be NO forgiveness without repentance. The love of God isn’t some big “get out of jail free” card.
You noticed that, too ?
“Jesus said “Father forgive them...” he didn’t say “Father, I forgive them.”. A bit of a difference there. Wouldn’t you agree?”
Subtle, but crucial.
“I myself have every wish that these two scumbags ask and are given God’s forgiveness. I hope they spend eternity in Heaven. I’d also damn well hang them.”
Careful. Common sense is in short supply; we’d best economize it.
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