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World War One anniversary: what if Archduke Franz Ferdinand had lived?
Telegraph UK ^ | june 27, 2014 | Tim Stanley and Olivia Bolton

Posted on 06/28/2014 9:07:15 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

was like something from a film - what started as a farce ended as a tragedy. When Archduke Franz Ferdinand arrived in Sarajevo on June 28 1914, someone threw a bomb at him but it missed.

Gavrilo Princip was meant to shoot him there and then but couldn’t get a clear shot. So he went to sulk in a café instead.

It was only when Ferdinand’s car later went down the same street by the same café and got stuck in the road - that Princip took his chance and shot the Archduke dead.

But what if Princip had missed? Would 16 million people have survived instead of perishing in the trenches in the Great War?

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: archdukeferdinand; dfthinginthebalkans; worldwar1; worldwarone; ww1worldwari; wwi
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I'd set my time machine to WWI, way before 1938, and find Adolph in the midst of battle and lob him a good one with his name on it.

That way millions of people would have been spared their lives.

41 posted on 06/28/2014 11:01:50 AM PDT by Slyfox (When progressives ignore moral parameters, they also lose the natural gift of common sense.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

War would probably have been delayed. The archduke was apparently very opposed to provoking a war and had he survived, would have used his influence to prevent it. Certainly when he would have succeeded the throne in 1916 he would have done his best to keep Austria out of it. However, Germany was positively spoiling for a fight. They knew France wanted Alsace Lorraine back, and they knew it was only a matter of time before a rapidly industrialising Russia caught up with and then surpassed Germany. Moltke and the Kaiser wanted this war to happen sooner rather than later whilst they perceived that Germany still had the advantage.


42 posted on 06/28/2014 11:11:56 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: xone
Would have made no difference

With all due respect, I'm not sure you are giving proper consideration to the power of good recon.

Notwithstanding the Thracian's poor flying skills, the Cub is a fairly easy aircraft for beginners to pilot. That said, a few quick sorties on the morning of the engagement might have revealed Mummius' flanking movement and changed the course of the battle.

Even if the Thracians were routed and driven southward, Crassus' delay in pursuit would have given Spartacus ample time to ferry his troops, one by one on the plane, to Sicily where they could have regrouped and carried on their raids from the safety of the island.

In short, the war would have certainly lasted many more months.

43 posted on 06/28/2014 11:27:42 AM PDT by keat
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To: I cannot think of a name

Franz Ferdinand shot in neck - bullet severed juglar vein
bled to death

Wife Sophie Von Chotek-Hapsburg shot in stomach


44 posted on 06/28/2014 11:32:19 AM PDT by njslim (T)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

ASSASSINATION OF AUSTRIAN ARCHDUKE FERDINAND SET OFF 'THE MONTH THAT CHANGED THE WORLD'


On June 28, 1914, Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife, Sophie, were murdered by Serbian nationalist Gavrilo Princip in Sarajevo. The assassination set off a chain of events that led to the outbreak of the First World War in Europe and affirmed famed German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck’s prediction that the next great war would start because of some “foolish thing in the Balkans.”

The chessboard diplomacy that followed in the next month before hostilities broke out is brilliantly chronicled by military historian Gordon Martel in his book, The Month That Changed the World: July 1914. Focusing on the decisions of heads of state and ambassadors, as well as military men of the European countries involved, Martel posits that war was not inevitable as many historians have claimed.



45 posted on 06/28/2014 11:55:26 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

This UK twerp is merely reiterating the mantra that the individual doesn’t matter, and (also part of the commie line) that there’s inevitability built right in to history.

A five year delay could have meant no war; the royal house in Germany was teetering (perhaps due to the crazy genes passed down from the British royals) earlier in the 20th c. The czar of Russia (another descendant) was (like his grandfather) facing the rise of political radicals, and his empire still occupied Finland and Poland, so continued apparent political stability might be seen as unlikely.

The biggest single cause was the sidelining and death of Otto von Bismarck, who’d built a masterpiece of a treaty system that kept eastern European powers at peace with each other while cooperating in the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire in Europe, and diplomatically isolating the military giant in western Europe — France.

But despite that, Wilhelm II pushed diplomatically for the Berlin to Baghdad railroad, which ran right through Turkish territory and ruffled the feathers of the czar and the UK. Despite that, Russia agreed, and a few years later, right on the eve of the Great War, so did the UK.

The rail wasn’t completed until 1940.


46 posted on 06/28/2014 11:56:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: keat

No fuel, no flight.


47 posted on 06/28/2014 11:59:30 AM PDT by xone
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To: Jeff Chandler

Jeff:

Yep. Fabrique National, chambered in .38. My father had the identical gun in .32, which he used for espionage work after WWII. Said he always liked it because it was reliable, small and thin (no lump under a suit jacket), and no sights (so it didn’t snag in the holster or pocket).

Proves once again that John Moses Browning, who designed it (like most everything else), was one of the most consequential figures of the last century.


48 posted on 06/28/2014 12:17:27 PM PDT by giant sable
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To: giant sable
chambered in .38

.380 ACP. So if anyone tells you that .380 is under-powered, tell him to talk to Franz Ferdinand.

49 posted on 06/28/2014 12:23:41 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Actually they both survived the assassination attempt, recovered and were found living on the Cote Azure in 1922. WW1 was a mistake.


50 posted on 06/28/2014 12:43:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

LOL


51 posted on 06/28/2014 1:46:47 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: SkyDancer

This is hugh and series!


52 posted on 06/28/2014 1:53:05 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: PUGACHEV
There are many reasons why there could have been a war, no matter whether the assassination occurred or not, but the fact is that, absent the assassination, the specific chain of event that did lead to war would not have taken place.

This is where I fall. Sure, war was going to happen on the European continent, eventually. It would not have been the worldwide conflagration it became. It did, because of the activation of alliances that followed the incident. In the case of a localized European War, I doubt we would have even entered into it. Without the assassination, I doubt that Russia would have entered into it.

Game changer there? No fertile petrie dish for Communism to take hold and very possibly no WWII.
53 posted on 06/28/2014 3:00:33 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: njslim
This is a subject numerous investigators and authors have delved into. The records of what happened as well as the eyewitness statements are a mass of contradictions. Even the words the Archduke uttered seem to have evolved and become more flattering to him with each retelling. The medical records are likewise compromised.

The Duke's bloody outer coat still exists, and many investigators that have seen it said the blood stains are totally inconsistent with the events as reported. There are also numerous eye witnesses that claim they saw Sophie walk from the car holding her upper arm. The Archduke was reported alive and his death was not reported for some time. The Austro-Hungarian later said this was out of respect to the family, but that is nonsense.

There is absolutely no doubt that the Austro-Hungarian elite did not like him and REALLY did not like his wife. They may well have had a hand in setting the entire thing up. A wounded Archduke or a grieving widow were of no use to their plans. A 'beloved' leader and his 'valiant wife trying to defend him' both being killed was the story they wanted - and got.

54 posted on 06/28/2014 3:33:57 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name (\w)
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