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World War One anniversary: what if Archduke Franz Ferdinand had lived?
Telegraph UK ^ | june 27, 2014 | Tim Stanley and Olivia Bolton

Posted on 06/28/2014 9:07:15 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

was like something from a film - what started as a farce ended as a tragedy. When Archduke Franz Ferdinand arrived in Sarajevo on June 28 1914, someone threw a bomb at him but it missed.

Gavrilo Princip was meant to shoot him there and then but couldn’t get a clear shot. So he went to sulk in a café instead.

It was only when Ferdinand’s car later went down the same street by the same café and got stuck in the road - that Princip took his chance and shot the Archduke dead.

But what if Princip had missed? Would 16 million people have survived instead of perishing in the trenches in the Great War?

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: archdukeferdinand; dfthinginthebalkans; worldwar1; worldwarone; ww1worldwari; wwi
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Video with historian discussing the topic at the link


1 posted on 06/28/2014 9:07:15 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

OH darn I missed copying and pasting the very first word in the paragraph. The “It”. Sorry folks. Lol


2 posted on 06/28/2014 9:08:02 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

His death was an excuse for war, not the cause. If it was not this, it would have been something else.

Those that led the world into WWI had no concept of what was at stake and they (and their nations) paid a great price for their arrogance.


3 posted on 06/28/2014 9:12:34 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Exactly. The Europe was a powder keg just waiting for a spark to set it off. If it wasn’t Franz’s death, it would have been something else sooner or later


4 posted on 06/28/2014 9:14:50 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Even if Princip had missed entirely and done nothing more than gotten himself beaten to a pulp as a result, Europe was a powder keg in 1914 and Franz Ferdinand’s assassination was simply the spark the explosion had been looking for.

History most likely would have turned out somewhat differently; perhaps no Bolshevik Revolution if the Germans hadn’t decided to smuggle Lenin into Russia to stir things up, but in any event an all-out European war was probably inevitable. Everyone wanted it.


5 posted on 06/28/2014 9:18:39 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Germany was so prepared for war with France they would have instigated something .....


6 posted on 06/28/2014 9:18:55 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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I know right. This whole assassination thing was just the perfect excuse.


7 posted on 06/28/2014 9:22:02 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Sadly you are right. Europe at their cultural peak, was primed for a needless destructive war.


8 posted on 06/28/2014 9:23:23 AM PDT by allendale
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

What if Spartacus had had a Piper Cub?


9 posted on 06/28/2014 9:28:52 AM PDT by keat
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Like nearly everyone else on this thread I think the nations of
Europe were all so prepared for war by 1914 that any number of
incidents would have served as a trip wire.


10 posted on 06/28/2014 9:32:10 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

I agree!The Austro-Hungarian Empire was coming apart at the seams!!The assassination was just an”EXCUSE”!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 06/28/2014 9:32:27 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
The painting shows him using a revolver but he actually used one of these:


12 posted on 06/28/2014 9:34:36 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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If Hitler had died during WWI, would there have been a WWII?

Where did I put my time machine?

13 posted on 06/28/2014 9:35:01 AM PDT by Slyfox (When progressives ignore moral parameters, they also lose the natural gift of common sense.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

It would have still happened. Troops were already massed by idiot rulers for a little fun adventure. Something else would have lit the fuse.


14 posted on 06/28/2014 9:36:50 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Jeff Chandler

Of course sensational paintings like that never really go in for accuracy. lol. Nice pic. Would love to try shooting that one.


15 posted on 06/28/2014 9:39:20 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
I always think of the car when it's about the Archduke.

I've had bad cars before, but not that bad.

Curses! Archduke Franz Ferdinand and His Astounding Death Car-Was the man whose assassination began World War I riding in a car destined to bring death to a series of owners?

16 posted on 06/28/2014 9:40:08 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: Slyfox
Hitler (far right) in WWI.
17 posted on 06/28/2014 9:40:47 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: allendale

And, unknowingly, it set the wheels in motion for WWII which destroyed Europe’s manhood and Jewry, created the UN and introduced the Cold War.

The West thought it won WWII but it was a pyrrhic victory that awoke sinister Islam.


18 posted on 06/28/2014 9:42:50 AM PDT by 353FMG
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I'm the car of doom! *cackle rumble cackle* Wanna go for a ride in me????? It will be your last! *evil laugh*

19 posted on 06/28/2014 9:43:55 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

“that Princip took his chance and shot the Archduke dead.”

Really? Probably not.

Thick heavy coat, rather anemic round, his wife shot in the arm, reports of their improvement - followed by the death of both.

Somebody needed and excuse and made SURE they had one.


20 posted on 06/28/2014 9:45:15 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name (\w)
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