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To: fieldmarshaldj
Anybody who casts a skinny, pasty, British git as Khan should be hung from a lamppost by the short and curlies.

Okay, alright. I'll give you that one.

But the chemistry between Spock and Jim -- and the whole crew -- !!! It redeems even the miscasting of Khan, but it was an alternate universe or something like that, so ...

What if they'd done it with Harry Mudd instead of Khan?

106 posted on 05/27/2014 6:24:02 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

There is literally nothing in the Abrams Faux Trek abortion that I can stomach. Everything and I mean everything is simply wrong, wrong, wrong. A bunch of teens playing dress up. No one mistook the original crew for anything other than adults. I think I literally loathe this abortion more than I loathe this current regime in DC, that’s just how much I absolutely, viscerally hate and abhor it. Just thinking about it makes my hair follicles twitch.


111 posted on 05/27/2014 6:35:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Finny; fieldmarshaldj; Impy
>> What if they'd done it with Harry Mudd instead of Khan? <<

That would have COMPLETELY changed the tone and story of the film, since Harry Mudd is a comedic villain and a slimy con artist instead of the "cold-blooded, revenge-seeking madman" angle they wanted for their "darkness" promos.

It also would have shown that JJ Abrams & Co. actually "got" a major aspect of Star Trek, since Harry Mudd is an actual example of the "Joker" to Kirk's "Batman", as a reoccurring villain who is a major arch-enemy and constant thorn in his side. Khan was only intended for a single episode and didn't get his iconic status until he was reused in Wrath of Khan, and THAT worked because he was a bitter, changed man AFTER being stranded for 15 years. Take away THAT element (which they did in Into Darkness) and he's just another forgettable strongman foe from the original series.

Furthermore, Cumberbatch was nothing like the Khan from the TV episode "Space Seed", personality wise. THAT Khan was a charming, arrogant, seductive guy. I actually thought these guys would respect the source material enough to use a villain from the original series that fit the kind of story they were telling (instead, they did the opposite -- came up with the story first and forced Khan in there when he didn't fit). Based on the trailers, it looked like they were using Captain Garth from the third season episode "Whom Gods Destroy", which would have been particularly clever since most people aren't familiar with him, and there was tons of possibilities they could explore to do something new with him, since the original episode was confided to a mental asylum on a planet where he had escaped and was holding Kirk captive. From the episode, we learned that Garth was:

- A rogue, out-of-control Starfleet officer
- Highly decorated and better than Kirk "at everything"
- Gained the ability to shape-shift and change his appearance from alien race
- Driven insane and hell bent on committing genocide
- Masterful tactician dedicated to getting revenge on the Federation

In short, the character fit perfectly for the kind of story they wanted to tell, and there was tons of stuff they could have done if they set it in the "2259" time period and gave us a scenario like Garth escaped custody and never made to the asylum. Alas, we got Khan In Name Only instead.

135 posted on 05/27/2014 7:20:17 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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