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A Question for the Lawyers on FB about Elliot Rodgers
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Posted on 05/25/2014 11:43:31 AM PDT by 7thOF7th

Can anybody intelligently answer this questions about how a British national who has a history with psychological issues and has received counseling, can legally obtain three semiautomatic pistols in this state or country?


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1 posted on 05/25/2014 11:43:31 AM PDT by 7thOF7th
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To: 7thOF7th

If people with the capability to make that happen wanted him to.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 11:47:07 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: 7thOF7th

Why shouldn’t he be able to obtain them unless he has been judged insane?


3 posted on 05/25/2014 11:49:47 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: 7thOF7th

Thank you for asking the question, I too have wondered the same thing. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than myself can answer.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 11:49:49 AM PDT by angelsonmyside
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To: 7thOF7th

See: The Second Amendment to the US Constitution


5 posted on 05/25/2014 11:50:12 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: 7thOF7th

Pretty sure he was a naturalized citizen of the US and his psychological care was after the purchase of the handguns. The only way to have connected the two would have been to have a gun registry that would be checked each time someone enters psychological counseling, something I absolutely do not support.

Guns did not do the killing here, a psychopath mass murderer did it, and half of the deaths were done with knives.

But here’s a better question: How many of the last 12 mass murderers were under some form of recent psychological care? Isn’t it all of them? Seems the area that really needs to be examined is how we handle the insane, but that’s really tricky compared to blaming guns (or knives.)


6 posted on 05/25/2014 11:52:07 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: 7thOF7th

LEGAL aliens have the same right to own guns as you and I.
HIPAA regulations keep all mental health info SECRET.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 11:52:35 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: 7thOF7th

This was a false flag op to gin up political support for gun confiscation and gun registration.

Elliot was a sleeper assassin.


8 posted on 05/25/2014 11:54:54 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: kingu

Are people with mental problems more likely to go on a rampage if they are under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist? They need to do a study on that.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 11:55:57 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye

There are 317 million people in the US, yet a mere handful distiguish themselves as mass murderers. I could point out a large percentage of inner city yutes have a greater chance of becoming murderers.


10 posted on 05/25/2014 12:06:11 PM PDT by umgud
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To: umgud

Yes, and as was pointed out most of the mass murderers had been under the care of a psychiatrist or psychologist.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 12:10:33 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Oliviaforever

See: The Second Amendment to the US Constitution


Felons aren’t allowed to own guns.

Mentally ill people need restrictions too.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 12:10:58 PM PDT by boycott
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To: 7thOF7th

Am I the only one here that has his gaydar going off the map on this kid?


13 posted on 05/25/2014 12:14:51 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Cyman

Saw a thread yesterday that indicated some have pegged him as a gay sociopath.


14 posted on 05/25/2014 12:17:08 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Aria

I don’t think it was a coincidence that he stabbed three males to death. Stabbing almost always has a sexual connotation associated with it. Methinks the first three were his real targets.


15 posted on 05/25/2014 12:21:40 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: 7thOF7th

Having ‘psychological problems’ is not a legal deterrent to acquiring a legal gun.... hospitalization can be


16 posted on 05/25/2014 12:23:36 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: boycott

They have them if they have been hospitalized. Just because you see a doctor for help does not preclude.... nor should it


17 posted on 05/25/2014 12:24:44 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: umgud

“I could point out a large percentage of inner city yutes have a greater chance of becoming murderers.”

Good point. I’m sure there are many gang bangers out there who have killed at least as many people as this guy.

But you know, if a black guy kills somebody we’re supposed to ignore it, otherwise we are racists.

Think of the many, many innocent people killed by ghetto trash. OK, mostly ghetto trash kills other ghetto trash and I kind of get it that people don’t care.

But, not always. And nobody dare make a fuss about those non-trashy victims either, because, see above: racism.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 12:27:54 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: 7thOF7th

Mr Rodger’s son had been “diagnosed at an earlier age of being a highly functional Asperger Syndrome child”,
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27562917

however,

“During the course of his interaction with mental health professionals, he apparently had never been either institutionalized or committed for an involuntarily hold of any kind. And those are the two triggers that actually would have made him a prohibited person in terms of a fire arms purchase.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/elliot-rodger-long-concealed-mental-health-issues-sheriff-says/

The blame lies not in guns, but with the parents in failing to recognize and address the severity of their child’s mental illness. In other words, his parents, who were well-aware of his behavior and who were made aware of his videos, rather than admit to themselves they had a spiraling out of control child, ignored the elephant in the room and tried to spoil their child into sanity, with predictably disasterous results.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 12:30:03 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: 7thOF7th
Bottom line: If someone wants to kill, he or she will find the means to do so. There are rocks, bats, andirons, kitchen knives, razor blades, hammers, and the list goes on and on. No, the answer lies with the attacker, his family, total absence of religious upbringing, and a society that fosters narcissistic lazy, spoiled kids with overinflated egos who are showered by their parents with material trappings and nothing to do but play video games that fuel their egos until they literally get bored to death.
20 posted on 05/25/2014 12:31:14 PM PDT by iontheball
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