Posted on 05/13/2014 8:14:47 PM PDT by ReformationFan
Winger-left blowhard Ed Schultz got a mention on Drudge today, for sending out a Tweet that said, "Gay people were really the ones being persecuted in Hitler's Germany."
While 10,000-15,000 homosexuals were likely to have died at Hitler's hands (which is 10,000-15,000 too many), Schultz blithely and blindly ignores the plain historical fact that that number pales in comparison to the six million Jews who were gassed or shot by Hitler's goons.
What Schultz overlooks, perhaps out of sheer historical ignorance, is that the persecution of homosexuals in Hitler's Germany was carried out by other homosexuals.
Hitler was seeking to revive the Greek ideal of the hyper-masculine homosexual warrior, and thus gathered around him homosexuals like himself to serve with him in his sinister designs for the world.
The man who served as the director of the Institute of Sexology in 1930 wrote that "not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal." Noted historian William Shirer, in his monumental work, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, observed of the "brown-shirted S.A." that "many of its top leaders, beginning with its chief, Roehm, were notorious homosexual perverts."
Adds historian H.R. Knickerbocker, "(Ernst) Roehm, as the head of 2,500,000 Storm Troops, had surrounded himself with a staff of perverts. His chiefs, men of rank of Gruppenfuhrer or Obergruppenfuhrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual he had no chance of advancement."
So if Hitler's officers and enforcers were hyper-masculine homosexuals, who were the homosexuals they persecuted? The objects of Nazi wrath were soft, effeminate homosexuals whom the Spartan S.A. despised.
Prior to Hitler's assumption of power, homosexuality, known as "the German vice" was a crime. Those who were apprehended were sent for evaluation to the Institute of Sexology. Thus many of Hitler's officers had patient records in this institution which he could not allow to see the light of day.
Thus, In 1930, Hitler burned the Institute of Sexology to the ground to obliterate evidence of Nazi sexual proclivities.
According to Ludwig L. Lenz, the assistant director of the Institute of Sexology at the time, said, "We had a great many Nazis under treatment at the Institute. Why was it then, since we were completely non-party, that our purely scientific Institute was the first victim which fell to the new regime? The answer to this is simple...We knew too much...Our knowledge of such intimate secrets regarding members of the Nazi Party and other documentary material – we possessed about forty thousand confessions and biographical letters – was the cause of the complete and utter destruction of the Institute of Sexology."
Homosexual advocates often cite the "Night of the Long Knives," in which Roehm and other S.A. officers were assassinated, as evidence of Hitler's antipathy toward homosexuals.
However, noted German historian Lothar Mochtan, in his book The Hidden Hitler, written in 2001, argues that Hitler had Roehm killed for another reason: Roehm was about to out Hitler to the German public, to expose Hitler's own twisted sexual orientation, in a bid to remove Hitler from power and take the reins of Germany into his own hands. Roehm, in other words, was killed to protect Hitler's power and his sexual secrets.
One historian put it this way, "Ernst Roehm wasn't shot because the Nazi Party felt outraged by the abrupt discovery that he was 'having' his storm troopers – that had been known for ages; but because his sway over the SA had become a menace to Hitler."
So when Ed Schultz says that homosexuals were persecuted by Hitler, he is half right. The other half is that that persecution was carried out by other homosexuals. That half of the story is at least as important as Schultz's half, but it's the half that Ed Schultz and other members of the Gay Gestapo hope you never hear about. Well, now you have.
Look at the primary evidence and make up your own mind:
US Army documents record Hitler’s sexuality as ‘Homosex’: http://www.policymic.com/articles/41125/was-adolf-hitler-gay-maybe-says-new-evidence-but-does-it-matter
Testimony from a fellow WWI soldier: http://www.expatica.com/de/leisure/arts_culture/was-hitler-homosexual-1367.html
Hitler was a male prostitute:
http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/great-gay-bullies-of-the-past-adolf-hitler/
No citations here either, but have it on good authority that Hitler was a burlesque drag queen in decadent ‘20s Berlin. He was a fan dancer and stripper, eine klein hootchie und cootchie.
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Isn’t homosexuality a form of self disarmament and voluntarizing people to be segregatively molested willingly all the way to concentration camps?
No. But he sure made funny paintings and was into liberal arts.
Can't believe the regular Freepers who follow this thread haven't posted this info yet. Yes, the whole sordid history of homosexuality in Nazi Germany, including Hitler's sexuality, has been covered. Most of us reference Pastor Scott Lively's and Kevin Abrams' 1995 book, The Pink Swastika
No one knows what Hitler’s love life was or wasn’t. It’s all mere speculation and conjecture based on no fact.
And sadistic perverts in the camps took whoever they wanted from the inmates, used them until they grew tired of them, killed them and selected another victim.
No direct proof but a mountain of indirect proof about a man who upon attaining power went to great lengths to erase something about his past.
many women during his life were attracted to him.
Such was also the case with Rock Hudson.
He surrounded himself with and confided in women within his inner circle.
So does Richard Simmons.
I defy anyone to offer proof that Hitler was actually homosexual.
There is no direct evidence but there is a mountain of indirect evidence. Read books of those near Hitler and also read the wartime psychological profiles of him.
Have you read the book?
Which is exactly what the cited author (Lothar Machtan) believes to have been the case by the 1930s.
It was the younger sexually active Hitler rather than the middle aged sexually inactive leader that Machtan wrote about.
Sort of like hearing Obama make comment after comment that he is a committed Christian?
He was also largely indifferent to economics.
From where do you get that?
Hitler was an evil monster, but the rumors that he was a homosexual, a pervert, or a coward simply have no basis in fact.
I agree that he was unquestionably brave but there is plenty of 2nd party evidence that he had a messed up sexual identity.
It's difficult to deny that it wasn't normal.
Have you read the book cited in the article?
nto so sure that i believe this stuff... seems like a lot of flinging stuff around, but little evidence to back it up.
Check out 2:15-3:25 on this clip from the 1960 movie “Exodus”-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwKP09W6-vU
Sal Mineo’s character(an Auschwitz survivor) admits what the Nazi guards did to him. I’m amazed they let that in a mainstream Hollywood film made when the Hays Code was still in effect.
Nothing like it at all. Saying you are something, and behaving that way are two different things.
He was also largely indifferent to economics.
From where do you get that?
This is documented in MANY, MANY places. Two that I can think of right off the top of my head are Shirer's classic book, and much more importantly, Speer says this several times in Inside the Third Reich. Now, much that Speer claims is self-serving nonsense [He did not know about the atrocities, etc., etc.] but concerning Hitler, the Party, and Hitler's beliefs he has no reason to lie.
But again, we don't need the testimony of a pinko journalist who lived in Germany throughout Hitler's rise and fall, nor one of Hitler's closest insiders for evidence, because his actions are clear: he did not advance any serious part of the NSDAP socialist economic program. Had he cared about it, he would have.
I agree that he was unquestionably brave but there is plenty of 2nd party evidence that he had a messed up sexual identity.
Cite ONE REPUTABLE SOURCE.
Wikipedia - Sal Mineo - a little irony here
In the late 1960s Mineo became one of the first major actors in Hollywood to publicly acknowledge his homosexuality.[15] Despite this, he had several sexual relationships with women in his earlier years, most notably Jill Haworth.
Regarding Exodus, I started reading all of Leon Uris' historical novels in my senior year of HS.
Scott Lively’s and Kevin Abrams’ highly controversial book, The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party was written to counter historical revisionism by the homosexual political movement which had been attempting since the 1970s to fabricate a “Gay Holocaust” equivalent to that suffered by the Jews in Nazi Germany.
Erik N. Jensen regards the authors' linkage of homosexuality and Nazism as the recurrence of a "pernicious myth", originating in 1930s attacks on Nazism by Socialists and Communists and "long since dispelled" by "serious scholarship".[6] Jensen sees the book as coming about in "the aftermath of an Oregon measure to repeal gay rights".[6]
Dorthe Seifert cites it as a response to increasing awareness of Nazi persecution of homosexuals.[7]
Christine L. Mueller argues that the historical record does not support Abrams' assertions.[8]
Bob Moser, writing for the Southern Poverty Law Center, says the book was promoted by anti-gay groups and that historians agree its premise is "utterly false".[9]
If the SPLC condemns it, then The Pink Swastika must be closer to the truth!
Jonathan Zimmerman, a historian at New York University, wrote that the claim that gay people helped bring Nazism to Germany “is a flat-out lie.”[10] Zimmerman, points out that "Between 1933 and 1945, the Nazis arrested roughly 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most convicted gays were sent to prison; between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps, where they wore pink triangles to signify their supposed crime."[10] He further notes, "To win their release from the camps, some gays were forced to undergo castration. Others were mutilated or murdered in so-called medical experiments by Nazi doctors, who insisted that homosexuality was a disease that could be 'cured'."[10] In addition, "Hitler authorized an edict in 1941 prescribing the death penalty [...] for SS and police members found guilty of gay activity."[10]
He was also largely indifferent to economics.This is documented in MANY, MANY places. Two that I can think of right off the top of my head are Shirer's classic book, and much more importantly, Speer says this several times in Inside the Third Reich. Now, much that Speer claims is self-serving nonsense [He did not know about the atrocities, etc., etc.] but concerning Hitler, the Party, and Hitler's beliefs he has no reason to lie.From where do you get that?
By the time of Shirer and particularly Speer, Hitler had to take pragmatic stances concerning economic policy. Did he intend to return to his true roots once the short term expediencies of the war were behind him? It's hard to say with certainty. Publicly, he did speak of a future classless society. Privately, he spoke of a future society having strong central government and limited property rights but not as limited as communism.
But again, we don't need the testimony of a pinko journalist who lived in Germany throughout Hitler's rise and fall, nor one of Hitler's closest insiders for evidence, because his actions are clear: he did not advance any serious part of the NSDAP socialist economic program. Had he cared about it, he would have.
Because much of that depended on winning the war and as I already mentioned he had to be pragmatic in the short term.
I agree that he was unquestionably brave but there is plenty of 2nd party evidence that he had a messed up sexual identity.Cite ONE REPUTABLE SOURCE.
Working backwards from the linked article, do you really believe the cited book The Hidden Hitler by Lothar Machtan is not reputable?
Our tent leader was a German. An assassin's face, fleshy lips, hands resembling a wolf's paws. The camp's food had agreed with him; he could hardly move, he was so fat. Like the head of the camp, he liked children. Immediately after our arrival, he had bread brought for them, some soup and margarine. (In fact, this affection was not entirely altruistic; there existed here a veritable traffic of children among homosexuals
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