“I am the 70s child of a health nut. I wasn’t vaccinated”

Mamamia ^ | 01/03/2014 | Amy Parker

[MD Expat in PA]

I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar till I was one, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame. My mother used homeopathy, aromatherapy, osteopathy, we took daily supplements of vitamin C, echinacea, cod liver oil.

I had an outdoor lifestyle; I grew up next to a farm, walked everywhere, did sports and danced twice a week, drank plenty of water. I wasn’t even allowed pop; even my fresh juice was watered down to protect my teeth, and I would’ve killed for white, shop-bought bread in my lunch box once in a while and biscuits instead of fruit like all the other kids.

We only ate (organic local) meat maybe once or twice a week and my mother and father cooked everything from scratch – I have yet to taste a Findus crispy pancake and oven chips were reserved for those nights when mum and dad had friends over and we got a “treat.”

As healthy as my lifestyle seemed, I contracted measles, mumps, rubella, a type of viral meningitis, scarlatina, whooping cough, yearly tonsillitis, and chickenpox, some of which are vaccine preventable. In my twenties I got precancerous HPV and spent 6 months of my life wondering how I was going to tell my two children under the age of 7 that mummy might have cancer before it was safely removed.

So having the “natural immunity sterilised out of us” just doesn’t cut it for me. How could I, with my idyllic childhood and my amazing health food, get so freaking ill all the time?

[Texicanus]

“I have no sympathy for people who would rather see kids die or become permanently disabled because of preventable disease than fork out a few bucks to get their kid a little shot.”
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I’ve heard that crap all my adult life. Remember, the vaxx-ers are the ones protected by the vaccines. So how come many still contract the disease they were vaccinated against.

My wife was vaccinated and it failed to prevent polio but caused it instead. I didn’t tell anyone not to take a vaccine. I only decided the risk was too great for my children, not yours or anybody elses.

I made my choices and you can make yours. Have a nice day.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Adelle Davis ! Let’s eat right to keep fit !! ***

My mother-in-law lived by that book! She raised a whole family to be Hypochondriacs by her absolute belief in it.

I still have the book of it here somewhere. Never use it.

All my MIL’s children are now physical wrecks.

[Ted Grant]

I hear measles is coming back in NYC.

[MD Expat in PA]

10+ years ago I didn’t know any non vaxing MD’s. I know 5 of them now. One of them is a pedi specialist. My own internist didn’t follow ‘the schedule’ with his own kids. They haven’t received the varicella vaccine although they had chickenpox with no ill effects. His big concern was the waning immunity allowing them to contract cpox as adults and the possibility of one of his daughters doing so while pregnant.

Well there are good doctors and there are not so good doctors and then there are quacks and your doctor is IMO the former. A person who had chickenpox as a child can develop shingles as an adult (about 1 in 3 adults who had chickenpox will develop shingles). Not only is shingles extremely painful and for some people quite debilitating, an adult with shingles can transmit chickenpox to someone with no prior immunity to or not having been vaccinated for chickenpox – that would include pregnant women, young children who have not yet been vaccinated and people who are not able to be vaccinated.

The chickenpox vaccine has about a 95% efficacy rate. There are some people who do not develop the necessary immune response to the vaccine or didn’t receive the recommended booster and later contract chickenpox but it is typically much milder and less likely to develop serious complications. People who have had chickenpox are unlikely to get it a second time but that is not impossible either. However people who have been vaccinated for chickenpox do not develop shingles as an adult.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/specialists/pediatrics/hammond/qa/chickenpox-vaccine-effectiveness/index.aspx

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/shingles-prevention

[wintertime]

The protection of a vaccinated populations comes from the “herd immunity”. If most of the people who have been vaccinated develop immunity, then, if the pathogen is introduced into the area, it will not spread from person to person. It remains isolated to only the person infected.

Not every person who is vaccinated will develop antibodies. Personally, I have had the full series of Hep-B but blood tests show that I never developed immunity. A friend's child contracted measles even though he had been fully immunized.

When parents refuse to have their children vaccinated, not only do they endanger their child, but also all the children who were vaccinated but did not respond to the vaccine.

It is sad, but I think the only thing that will bring the anti-vaccers to their senses is a major epidemic that hits them hard.

[wintertime]

I had singles. Terrible experience! I don’t think the singles vaccine was yet available when I had my outbreak.

Honestly, I would have eagerly paid many times the cost of the single vaccine just to have avoided this unpleasantness.

I had the singles vaccine a few years ago. The cost was $165. A BARGAIN!

[MD Expat in PA]

For those who are not sure what it is, it is when you start having abscesses behind your tonsils, the inflaimation traveling up the ear canal to the ear. Your tonsil will swell and fill half your throat. The pain is terrible! You can’t eat, drink causes pain and you can’t talk. Then the abscess will break and your mouth will be filled with the most foul puss. You WILL vomit. When done, the tonsil returns to it’s normal size, you can eat and drink. A few days later, you feel a new abscess forming and it starts all over again.

I don’t think I had an abscess but my tonsils were full of holes and were filled with puss. Sometimes when I coughed, I’d cough up these little round extremely foul smelling waxy puss balls and in fact I had chronic bad breath. And nothing made it better, not salt water gargles, not gargling with antiseptic mouth wash. And even when my throat wasn’t sore, it felt like I had two golf balls lodged in the back of my throat and it was becoming increasingly difficult to eat and swallow. I was constantly sick or felt run down. And then I had my tonsils out. It was like a miracle and I wish my parents had taken me to an ENT years earlier.

[Black Agnes]

Two of these non vaxing MD’s are on faculty at the local teaching institution. One of them has a ream of peer reviewed publications as long as my arm.

Hardly quacks.

Funny how we didn’t need a shingles vaccine when kids actually got the chickenpox.

Having chickenpox and ALSO having the chickenpox vaccine bot set you up for potential shingles in later life. I’m sure you’re aware that the varicella vaccine is a live virus vaccine.

Both the varicella vaccine and the shingles vaccine are also cultured in dead babies. I’m sure you’re aware of that as well.

I’m not so big on injecting remnants of dead baby. And no, they don’t get rid of the fetal DNA. In fact the amount of fetal DNA contained in both those vaccines is allowed be kept a ‘trade secret’. Which means it’s not zero.

[Black Agnes]

And my old Johns Hopkins pedi? When the chickenpox vaccine first came out he was incredulous. Not in a good way either. He called it a huge scam.

In fact, if you bother to read the minutes of the meeting where it was officially recommended you will find not ONE mention of any infant or childhood complications or mortality from chickenpox in the reasoning behind its recommendation. In fact, you will find that the reason it was even put on the schedule had to do with the fact that kids with chickenpox caused mom/dad to be home from work too long. And after Clinton signed the family leave act it became necessary to prevent as much sick leave for the PARENTS as possible. The kids were secondary.

And while you’re at it, explain why the Japanese ministry of health has in fact STOPPED recommending the HPV vaccine be given in that country. I’m sure they’re all a bunch of quacks there too. Why don’t you write the the Japanese ministry of health a letter and call them quacks for this decision. Let me know their reply...

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

Confirmed – India’s Polio Eradication Campaign in 2011 Caused 47,500 Cases of Vaccine-Induced Polio Paralysis

By Dr. Mercola August 28 2012

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/28/polio-eradication-campaign.aspx?e_cid=20120828_DNL_artNew_1

Story at-a-glance
• The media is reporting that polio has been eradicated in India, thanks to a massive oral polio vaccination drive encompassing nearly 170 million children; however, the vaccine uses a live virus that is linked to vaccine-induced polio paralysis
• A paper published in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics found 47,500 cases of so-called non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP), a polio-like condition that is clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, linked to the oral polio vaccine
• It’s also estimated that up to 180 Indian children develop vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) each year
Vaccines alone don’t eradicate disease; polio spreads largely through feces-contaminated water, so ignoring the poor sanitation and lack of clean water in third-world countries, along with the lack of healthy food to support their immune systems, is ignorant if the goal is really to eradicate the disease

[Hot Tabasco]

There has to be a way to gain immunity without them

Don't forget, before the vaccines came along, people contracted the diseases and the vast majority of them survived. But there were also many who died......thus the creation of the vaccines........

The benefits of the vaccines vastly outnumber the alleged negatives of the conspiracy theorists......

As a side note, I would have had an aunt had she not died of a common childhood disease prior to the the creation of the vaccine for it........

I also grew up with two kids who contracted polio......and remember the sugar cubes which contained either the initial polio vaccine or the booster.........

[Ditter]

My son, now 50, caught a cold when he was one year old, (1973). It very quickly spread to his tonsils. He was constantly sick and when he was 2 had lost a pound from his 18 month old weight. By the time he was 2 1/2 his tonsils were removed and he quickly regained his health and strength.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

A tonsillectomy took permanent care of my problem, when I was 32 years old.

My daughter developed the same problem, and after being told tonsillectomies were no longer fashionable, and much illness, we found a doctor who examined her at the height of her infection. He was shocked and scheduled her for a tonlsillectomy. She was about 12 years old, and has not had a problem since.

[Black Agnes]

http://www.rescuepost.com/.a/6a00d8357f3f2969e201a73dbed2ee970d-pi

Link containing pic of measles deaths vs. year.

After the introduction of sulfa drugs and antibiotics it essentially goes to zero.

[Hot Tabasco]

Had all the shots I needed as a kid, and the Army took care of the rest.

I caught the chicken pox from my roommate while in the army......and was whisked away to quaranteen at the local dispensary soon after he was.

[riri]

I don't think you can equate a vaccine from 40-50 years ago to a modern vaccine. There are reports all the time about hidden cancer viruses in the modern vaccines. A Merck developer admitted some vaccines contained hidden cancer viruses derived from diseased monkeys. Do some research.

The elites want far fewer of us. And they certainly want far fewer of us here once we reach a certain age.

[Ditter]

My husband had shingles in the middle of his back. I didn’t think that I had been infected with chicken pox so I wasn’t worried about me. My doctor did a titer test and lo and behold I had chickenpox and never knew it.

My brother had CP and was VERY sick, I guess I had a light case and no one noticed. I ran not walked to get the shingles vaccine. I did not want to go through what I had watched my husband go through.

My friends husband had it in his eye/head and he suffered even more.

Get the vaccine folks, it is a nasty disease that can be prevented.

[Black Agnes]

I hate to tell you this but 2 of my mom’s little old lady friends had the shingles vaccine and within a year had the shingles. One of the little old ladies was very nearly hospitalized with it too.

It’s not very effective as far as vaccines go. Maybe you’ll be one of the lucky ones. My mom had the vaccine before she found out it contained dead babies. She still lives in fear she’ll get shingles.

[Ditter]

We don't live in a perfect world, you still have a chance to get the flu even if you have been vaccinated, I did this year. The same thing can happen with shingles vaccine. I heard that having the shingles once will keep you from having it again and I have since heard that you can have it more than once anyway.

I will continue getting a flu shot (without preservative) in spite of this years experience and I just hope that my shingles vaccine works for me.

[Black Agnes]

Just be aware that there is a conundrum with vaxing little old people. The reason you’re more likely to get disease is your immune system is waning. Which is also the reason you’re more likely to have failed vaccinations. You simply don’t have an appropriate immune response to the vaccine either.

The little old lady friend of my mom’s was from the ‘vaccines are for life and always work’ mindset of that particular generation. So when she got a little spot that LOOKED like it might be shingles starting she didn’t immediately go get something for that. ‘It can’t be shingles, I’ve had the vaccine’ when my mom’s group asked her about the spot on her neck. It festered until it was a major problem before she finally went to have it seen about. Surprise, it really WAS shingles after all. And she’d wasted a week or so not taking the meds for that because she’d been sure it could NOT possibly BE shingles.

Vigilance always at your age.

I’d rather take my chances with shingles than be injected with dead babies. YMMV, of course.