[PieterCasparzen]

Taking care of one’s family is a good thing, but it’s hardly something to point to say how “good” you are.

Actually I think it is. If you "take care of your family" by hurting other people and committing crimes, you aren't really helping them at all.

How does doing jail time help your family?

Most criminals don't get caught. Many that do laugh all the way to the bank. They serve their time and go home; their assets aren't usually completely stripped from them, and they have assets hidden.

There are many, many absolute creeps (just look at Congress) who take care of their families very well.

If you or I claim to be good because we take care of our families - this only brings us up to the "goodness" level of Congress or our local friendly "connected" person.

They are esteemed members of society with very close relationships with their families.

[GunRunner]

If I can't stand to see people starve, so I say, come, come now, here's some food, eat, so you won't be starving, I'm doing that so I will feel right about how I reacted.

So you're telling me, that you could give someone something that is of little consequence to you (a tiny bit of food), and that in helping that person, you could receive some spiritual comfort and joy. You would both benefit from the simply act of giving? Holy cow! That's almost like, "do unto others as they would do unto you."

Look, I've enjoyed this conversation, but I don't think you've honestly given any of these issues real, serious thought. Why do these things that we're discussing require theism; that was my original question. In no way have you given any support to the idea that you are able to do or think things that I cannot, when it comes to charity and helping others.

There are many, many absolute creeps (just look at Congress) who take care of their families very well.

I honestly find your anti-family stance a little creepy, and my two guesses are bitchy step-mom or absent father. It has to be one of the two.