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To: GunRunner

Neither gives us objective morality.

Conscience is subjective.

Morality based on measures of pain/pleasure, otherwise known as utilitarianism, is only subjective. That is, things like pain, happiness, suffering and pleasure cannot be measured.

A moral system based on increasing happiness and decreasing suffering cannot be objectively explained.


452 posted on 05/07/2014 7:45:52 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith
How can suffering not be measured? Wouldn't you say that a pin prick is less suffering than 40 lashes with a whip? That's an objective observation, and you don't need a cosmic dictator to tell you so.

Objective morality isn't "given", it is recognized. If it were given it wouldn't be objective.

455 posted on 05/08/2014 5:46:02 AM PDT by GunRunner
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