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To: Swordmaker
I notice that you didn't include the units sold vs Android. Certainly Apple will be making a lot more when they are charging ALOT MORE for the same product — Apples and Oranges comparison (pun intended). Duh!

“Android Dominates Market Share, But Apple Makes All The Money.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2013/11/15/android-dominates-market-share-but-apple-makes-all-the-money/

And we shall see won't we? So far, IMO it is a ton better than the iphone. So far after a week, we LOVE the phones.

Lets do a functional comparison:

1. The Samsung gui is 10x better. The iphone is old and antique in comparison. When was the last time they updated it? My 4 year old ipad looks the same as the new Iphone 5S. Probably due to the lethargy of a Apple being a monopoly and Android being open for anyone who wants to develop an app or hardware — thus competition. You know — the free market system?

2. The screen is still same old tiny size as the first early Iphones. Again, where is the innovation? The quality might be better but it is still tiny in comparison. And the next size up is the ipad. Good luck fitting an ipad in your shirt pocket.

> Follows the old Ford rule that you can choose any color as long as it is black. Again, little innovation.

3. As I mentioned, the apps are better and they are FREE!

4. Did I mention that the battery is replaceable? I think I did, oh yeah, yes I did.

5. I didn't mention that memory can be expanded whereas you are locked into the original iphone size (a cost premium, I might add) that was purchased.

These are all important features for a more discriminating consumer. It might be okay for your average consumer, but not for me. And I bet I could convince those same Apple consumers that Android is better by pointing out the above differences.

71 posted on 05/15/2014 8:23:33 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
I notice that you didn't include the units sold vs Android. Certainly Apple will be making a lot more when they are charging ALOT MORE for the same product — Apples and Oranges comparison (pun intended). Duh!

Which units sold vs Android where? Korea? Asia? The World? Which Android company, companies, model, models? Functionality? Smartphones? OR are you counting Android feature phones and dumb phones that both run Android but really don't do anything but make phone calls in those numbers? How about set-top boxes that are included in those numbers? They are, you know. It's Apple against literally HUNDREDS of Android manufacturers making THOUSANDS of models of DOZENS of levels of FUNCTIONALITY and CAPABILITY and even PURPOSE that are lumped into the number of Androids "shipped" and "activated!" Many are TOYS!

You want to compare numbers? OK.

In KOREA, Apple held 14% of the South Korea Mobile Device market which included mobile phones and Tablets in a country that is the very nationalistic HOME GROUND for two of the top three Apple competitors in BOTH of the worldwide smartphone and tablet markets: Samsung (Korean market share 60%) and LG/Lucky Goldstar (15% market). Again, those are facts.


Korean Market Share for Mobile Devices October 2013

By the way? Your claim of "charging ALOT MORE for the same product" is laughable since the UNLOCKED price of your Samsung Galaxy S5 averages ~$75 more than the unlocked price of an Apple iPhone 5S. . . and the phones on 2 year contracts on AT&T are less expensive subsidized for an iPhone 5S than it is to get a Galaxy S5 by $50. . . and at Verizon it winds up at the same cost for both at $99, but, you have to shell out $50 more and wait for a $50 rebate card from Samsung to get the Galaxy S5 before the prices are equal on both the Unlocked full price, or on the discounted 2 year contract deals! LOL!

What IS cheaper in the Android world is the millions of junk dumb and feature phones that make up better than 75% of the Android phones listed as competing against Apple that don't compete at all in the high end Android and iOS smartphones market but are counted as Android devices! Even Samsung finally admitted in the Apple v. Samsung Patent Infringement trials of 2012 and 2014, that 2/3rds of the phones they "ship" can not be classified as smartphones, even though thats what they report them as!

Lets do a functional comparison:

That was not a "functional" comparison. It was merely your unsupported opinion.

item 1: The Samsung GUI is 10X better and Change of GUI. . . or "My 4 year old ipad looks the same as the new iPhone 5S" which may be somewhat true because one can install iOS upgrades on Apple products. On the other hand, you usually cannot easily—if at all—upgrade an Android phone once you've bought it.

Your claim is that the Android User Interface is 10X better than the iOS user interface. That is your opinion. However, the great majority of reviews give the User Interface nod to Apple, not Android, because Android is not consistent. . . and it is badly fragmented across too many devices, the difficulty of upgrading any particular device, and the questionable installation of apps on every device. . . due to the fragmentation of the platform.

Consider this independent comparison of five mobile device operating system User Interfaces, released on October 3, 2013 done by Pfeiffer Consulting, who has done systems experience and productivity benchmarking analysis for Citibank, HP, Autodesk, Adobe, Quark, TimeInc, and Apple:

Selected Excerpts from The Pfeiffer Report on "Smartphone OS User Experience Shootout"

The aspects we have surveyed and rated are the following: cognitive load, efficiency, customization, as well as user experience friction. Based on the results from these benchmarks we have then established an overall Mobile Operating System User Experience Index presented at the end of this document. . .

This report compares the five major mobile operating systems iOS 7, iOS 6, Android (Samsung's implementation), Windows Phone 8, and Blackberry 10, and rates them in terms of user experience. . .

User Cognitive Load — Android 162, Apple 40 (lower is better): Samsung’s version of Android has by far the highest cognitive load of all the mobile operating systems surveyed here: no less than 104 apps and widgets, more than 4 times more than iOS 7, and a significantly higher number of icons and user interface elements.

User Experience Friction — Windows 51, Android 30, Apple 17 (lower is better): While Android has improved immensely since earlier releases, some aspects can remain annoying even for experienced users, such as the unintuitive way of deleting selected apps, or the inconsistent approach to interface design that mixes app icons with what looks like advertisements for specific apps.

System Efficiency and Integration — Apple 7/10, Android 7/10, (all others lower): Samsung’s Android implementation offers mature but slightly overwhelming efficiency and integration options, ranging from multitasking, customizable notifications and shortcuts to key settings, but lacks direct access to the camera from the lock-screen.

Customization — Apple 6/10, Android 7/10, Windows 2/10 : Android has the longest list of customization options of all mobile operating systems surveyed, but lacks some of the accessibility options present in iOS.

The final result:


The Pfeiffer Report on Mobile Phone Operating System Usability. . .
comparing Apple's new iOS 7 to iOS 6, Android, Windows Mobile 8, and Blackberry 10

How the overall results were calculated
Each category had the same weight in the overall score, i.e. 25%.
However, since there is an obvious disproportion between the cognitive load score, and the others, the absolute result of the cognitive load score were scaled by 50%, which brought them within the same range as the other results,
We assumed an ideal score of 100 for each category (which currently no operating is even close to reaching).
Cognitive Load and User Experience Friction were input as negative numbers, i.e. deducted from the ideal score.
The final score is the average of the results for each category.
Final Result — Android : Android has come a long way in terms of user experience, and could easily become an iOS killer not only in terms of market-share, but in terms of user experience— provided that Google and Samsung truly understood where the user experience differences with Apple’s platform lie. As it stands, Samsung’s Android is very usable - but undermines the overall user experience through odd design decisions, disproportionate cognitive load and half-baked innovations that are a distraction rather than a help.

Excerpted from —The Pfeiffer Report on Mobile Phone Operating System Usability.

Since your iPad came out the appearance and various operational changed in iOS has changes THREE TIMES. The latest change made a big shake up in the iPS community when the move to iOS7 was made on September 18, 2013. What you are complaining about is called CONSISTENCY and is what most user want in an operating system. Users do not want change. Look at the howls that went up at the changes in Windows at the change from XP to 7, 7 to 8, etc. Consistency is a PLUS. Apple knows this. Android doesn't and the Android licensees know it even less.

Item 2: "The screen is still same old tiny size as the first early iPhones." Laughable and ignorant. innovation is not many different size screens. That is fragmentation. . . and hell for developers. iPhone through iPhone 4s — screen diagonal = 3.5 inches in 5:7 ratio of 480 x 320 at 168 pixels per inch. 2012: iPhone 5, 5S, 5C — screen diagonal = 4 inches in 16:9 ratio of 1,136 × 640 pixels at 326 pixels per inch. Innovation? Show me ANY Android device running on a 64bit processor with a 64bit operating system with any 64bit apps. You can't. Samsung, Google, and others claimed they were going to have Android at 64bit by January when Apple released the A8 in the iPhone 5S and iPad Air. . . 8 months ago. Crickets. Yeah there'a a 64 bit Android kernel for an INTEL version, but not for ARM devices. More crickets.

Item 3: HOOOHAHAHAHAHAH. Free. dhs12345. TANSTAAFL!

Android users want everything in life for FREE. There is NOTHING free. Nothing. Even Android itself is an Operating System that Google is giving away so that Google can mine YOU for information. There are BACK DOORS in Android that give GOOGLE scads of information about what you are doing, who you are, what you like, what your internet surfing habits are, your political leanings are, your purchases, your kinks, everything about YOU. . . and they OWN the rights to sell that information about YOU to anyone. . . or to use it to sell you what ever they want! How do you think they monetize Android????

Now, let's talk about those "free" Android Apps. . . they are not free either. They mine you also. They either overtly show you an advertisement, or they grab information in the background, for their own purposes. Do you really WANT a 3rd party tracking your whereabouts? Keeping data on you? How about just popping up an ad before you can continue? Or adding one to the email you send to your friends? Those are ALL ways that you will be paying.

This is not something I am making up. This is Android's business model... and the free-app business model. Look it up. People do NOT do things for free, out of the goodness of their hearts. They have to be compensated for their time and effort somehow. Ask yourself "how do they get paid?" Follow the money.

While this is not yet "Big Brother" it is BIG COUSIN. . .

Item 4: Replaceable Battery. Whoop De Doo... I think I told you that we just retired my original iPhone, bought on June 28, 2007. . . after almost seven years of continuous use by me, my daughter, then my ex-wife. . . and it STILL has the original battery and holds 85% of its original charge! My 2 ½ year old granddaughter is now using it as an iPod touch for her pre-school games. Same battery. All the time I, my daughter, and my ex used that iPhone, it never ran out of power. . . close a couple of times. But it could be charged quickly in a car, or at any computer, or 110 outlet. There were protective cases that were full external batteries available for those who felt the need. I did not. One of my client's did. . . he never had to use it.

Item 5: Your expandable memory issue. . . which is not much of an issue. It's another ho-hum. Try using that expanded memory to hold an app. You can't. It's mere storage. Apple devices are designed to be used with the Cloud. My Apple iDevices have access to SEVERAL TERABYTES of storage instantly when I want anything that you would store on your card. That where I keep my photos, music, movies, etc. Why keep it where it can get lost, stolen, or destroyed? IF I plan on being where I cannot access the cloud and need a few of those files, I can, if I wish, bring some of those memory cards with me AND access them with my iPhone or iPad. I am NOT, according to you, prevented from doing so. I just need to bring my card adaptor with me. I don't need to carry that extra weight with me 24/7 like you do. 99.9% of people never need that, so why have it? For that small percentage that do need it, get the capability. it's inexpensive. . . but why make the 99.9% pay the freight in added size and weight and cost for something they will never use, because YOU want it?

These are all important features for a more discriminating consumer. It might be okay for your average consumer, but not for me. And I bet I could convince those same Apple consumers that Android is better by pointing out the above differences.

Do you know how many Android fans have been claiming that same claim for such a long time and found that not to be the case? Most of us will just laugh in your face. . . especially the one's who've BEEN Android users. They know better.

So, dhs12345, you go ahead and enjoy your phone. Come back and tell me how easy it is to upgrade to the next version of Android when it comes out. . . and READ those Android user agreements very carefully. They are quite the eye-opener.

72 posted on 05/16/2014 12:34:27 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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