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The Walking Dead Discussion Thread: Season 4 Episode 16 [SPOILER warning]
N/A | March 30, 2014 | N/A

Posted on 03/30/2014 12:31:13 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction

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To: CatherineofAragon
"I thought it was a little disturbing that Carl told Michonne he has thoughts that make him believe he’s a monster. Any opinions on what that meant? I hope the kid isn’t going off the rails."

I think maybe it goes back to that episode where Carl was yelling at Rick, and Rick was unconscious. Carl blamed Rick for not doing what needed to be done in order to keep them all alive (Hershel and Judith, etc.). But how far is too far when you go from doing what is necessary to becoming a monster?

461 posted on 03/31/2014 1:40:23 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Rokurota

Yeah, the comment/write up that goes with the pic hints at some things.

one, that they clearly are cannibals.

two that the chained walkers are former terminus folks that are still “useful” to the living terminus folks in their path “a” and “b” routes of strangers.

three that the terminus folks feed their chained walkers to keep them stronger/more of a threat to those running the A or B routes.

and four, my final opinion is if the chained walkers ARE former terminus folks that died/turned, if the terminus guy who just got shot (Alec?) doesn’t survive, he’ll wind up there, as I don’t believe the terminus people eat their own. they eat outsiders.

five, hints at what the terminus group’s been through and their experiences with outsiders. they probably had trouble with outsiders and lost a bunch of their own (now their chained-up walkers since they were THEIR group, not strangers) but their group won/survived. if newcomers are friendly and go along with everything that’s going on there, as they learn more, they may join, but at the slightest sign of not going along, they become a threat and are turned into food. and from that pile there are a lot of people who do not go along with the core terminus folks.


462 posted on 03/31/2014 1:53:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Envisioning

“...I hate to tell both Rick and Joe you can’t fire a 1911 with the hammer down, I know, I know, Hollywood.....looked like a Smith and Wesson to me with the external extractor.”

Just the latest in a series of gun-handling errors:

- Clicking sounds, like the thumb-cocking of a single action revolver, when someone draws down on a walker (or a person) with a Glock. Once loaded and charged, no Glock makes the faintest sound until its trigger is pulled.

- More clicking sounds, when Rick aims his Python but doesn’t thumb-cock it (hammer still forward = no sound). Details escape me at the moment, but I vaguely recall other characters (Lori, Carol, or both?) bringing revolvers to bear. Many clicks are heard, but no one moves a trigger or thumbs back a hammer.

- Sundry sounds (some clicks) when various characters raise their long guns to firing position. But no one is seen to throw off a safety and certainly no one works a charging handle (AR-15) or a lever (Carl’s octagon-barrel Marlin 93, or possibly a 94, only seen in mid-Season 4 finale as “Brian” {fka The Governor} attacks the prison for the last time).

- More than one AR-15 without sights.

- First: when the Governor leads the massacre of the Army National Guard camp early in Season 3. One panicked trooper makes a break for it; the Governor sees, takes aim with a rifle totally lacking any rear sight, and brings the guy down with a single round. Then he tells one of his street thug henchmen to finish the guy off - “Never waste a bullet, son.”

- Second: during the Governor’s last attack on the prison (featuring the M-60 tank), one of the women (Maggie, Beth, or Sasha) can be seen squeezing off rounds (possibly bursts) with deliberate care, squinting down the upper surface of some AR-15 style rifle equipped only with a MIL-STD-1913B (Picatinny) rail: no front sight nor rear sight anywhere.

- Third: Sasha or Maggie carrying that rail-only rifle at sling arms, as they escape the wreck at the prison and evade walkers.

Theoretically, a marksperson might become so proficient that they could fire an AR-15 and hit a walker in the head at moderate range, without needing sights. But it would not be too likely after the Zombie Apocalypse - too few opportunities to train or practice, never enough ammunition. And recall how often the characters talk about running out of ammo, or running low.

The single-action Colt Government-style autoloader Joe held to Rick’s head was probably an Astra or a Star, or possibly a Llama; those firms pioneered 1911-style clones, in various sizes, over 50 years ago. Bunches were made in relatively small calibers like 32, 380, 9x19, 9mm Bergmann-Bayard, or 38 ACP. Worldwide, there have been many copies of (and variations on) the basic design. Quite a few were built with pinned, pivoted extractors visible from the outside, a feature very easy to see in the series finale. Only recently have other big-name armsmakers begun to offer their own 1911-style designs: Smith & Wesson, SIG, Ruger, Remington. Envisioning is right on target in noting that S&W uses this (non Colt) style of extractor. I cannot recall at the moment just what the rest of them have installed.

- The lighting wasn’t great in yesterday eve’s episode, but I think I spotted Joe’s autoloader with the hammer down, then back, in several very closely sequenced takes, where in tactical reality no handgun shooter would ever pause to change it unless dire necessity was on him (her). Sad to say, such discontinuities are common in films, even ones where weapons are a central part of the prop lineup. Watch _Kelly’s Heroes_ closely: in some sequences, it’s a simple affair to spot the cocking handle on Telly Savalas’ Tommy Gun to be forward, then back, then forward, then back again in a space of less than 30 final-cut seconds, as he and other soldiers assault the French village containing the bank. And all the rest of the details of that footage give moviegoers the plain impression that it was to be perceived as continuous: no troop (not even one as accomplished as Telly’s tough-guy sergeant character, and - one gathers - Telly the real-life combat vet) would pause to de-cock his subgun in such a tight place.

Criticisms aside, the makers of _The Walking Dead_ surely deserve credit for an unprecedented sense of realism and faithfulness, when it comes to the capabilities (and limitations) of real-life firearms - and the behavior of people in real life who are trained to use them. It’s the first TV series I can ever remember that spent any screen time at all, on training people to shoot, and on dialog concerning the proper habits and mindset of using guns in self-defense. Characters are seen cleaning guns, loading magazines, counting out cartridges, scrounging munitions, mulling over options of dispensing walkers. The bolt action sporting rifle - miles and miles beyond any other gun design, when it comes to precision, accuracy, range, effectiveness, etc for a given weight and size - is given pride of place from the very beginning.


463 posted on 03/31/2014 2:14:17 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: ConjunctionJunction
'The Walking Dead' Season 4 Finale Delivers 15.7 Million Viewers & 10.2 Million Adults 18-49, A Season Finale Record
464 posted on 03/31/2014 2:27:19 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Dan Cooper
Once the disease occurs in a group, it would be likely to intensify if it was spread every time someone dies and was eaten.

That's good to know, thanks. I'll keep that in mind the next time I travel to Toledo........

465 posted on 03/31/2014 2:32:10 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: ConjunctionJunction; laplata; CatherineofAragon

Carl also shot Shane, who he had adopted as his Dad.

I’m beginning to think Terminus is the clearing house for survivors. A = good genes, B = Not, eat them.

If Terminus cooks were serving up deer for dinner, they’d brag about it and everybody would know the scent of BBQd venison.

Are there another 49 Terminii in the US right now? In capitals? The very emptiness of Car A our group was shoved into implies it’s temporary (no food, toilet, shower, water)
and perhaps this car is about to be shipped to another survivor colony, having passed the test as to apocalypse-genepool-winners.

All the ‘personnel’ at Terminus seem like social workers following given orders.


466 posted on 03/31/2014 2:33:23 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Marcella
I not talking so much of tribes that ceremonially eat their enemies’ heart or whatnot, but more those people who would eat human flesh as their regular, MAIN protein source - like the Terminus group as we are led to think on the show.
467 posted on 03/31/2014 2:42:09 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: Lazamataz
Nah...Judith will sprout wings and FLY over the walls. ☺
468 posted on 03/31/2014 2:43:18 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction; All
Does anyone else agree that Eugene needs to WRITE down his supposedly inside information he just MUST get to Washington? I know the rumors are that he's full of crap, but I wonder why Abraham hasn't thought about it at least a little bit. He may not think he could understand it all, but with all the possible dangers and likelihood of death for anyone, IF the whole world is depending on the info Eugene has, why not ensure it can be relayed just in case he should be killed?
469 posted on 03/31/2014 2:49:59 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
We didn’t see them with Glenn and Abraham’s group going in to Terminus, and we didn’t see them inside the train car, so maybe they’re still out there.

That's a good sign........Carol and Tyreese are now seasoned veterans in this world as are all the rest of the group that are now in the box car.

The best I can describe these guys is that they are now a veteran military squad and the Terminius cannibals are going to truly pay a price next season when OUR group breaks free ........

As a side note, your Youtube link did indeed reveal that there were people locked up in the storage boxes yelling for help........That saved me from having to rewatch the entire episode, which I will likely do anyway......LOL!

470 posted on 03/31/2014 2:50:56 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: schurmann
The best gun error ever in TWD is when Herschel was on a tower with an AR with it's AIMPOINT... ON BACKWARDS.

He must have been all like, "Wow! I wish I could see them but there's a red dot shining right into my eye...."


471 posted on 03/31/2014 2:54:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Organic Panic
Did any of it get better after season one? I got a couple episodes in to season two and it decended in to silliness.

That's our secret and you're going to have to watch all the episodes to find out......LOL!

OR, you can do a search on previous TWD threads and read thru them all to bring you up to speed...........

You're better off just watching all the past episodes you can THEN reading the corresponding threads..........

But to answer your question, if it didn't get any better, why would the TWD threads continue with us followers?

472 posted on 03/31/2014 2:57:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: laplata

“They probably want to fatten them up first.”

If you have enough food to fatten them up, why not just eat it yourself?


473 posted on 03/31/2014 2:59:58 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
I think terminus is a group of pinkos that are modeling their themselves after the Obama regime. The woman on the microphone chanting big brother slogans was a give away.
474 posted on 03/31/2014 3:03:28 PM PDT by jetson
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To: schurmann
One of my favorite movie "discontinuities" was in Top Gun, when the jet Tom Cruise is piloting shoots THREE missiles from the starboard wing (only have two on each side).
475 posted on 03/31/2014 3:05:43 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: McGruff
Can anyone explain this picture I came across?

Very interesting! Michonne was forced to leave her sword behind and what she is holding in this photo is the sheath that she had still slung over her shoulder.......

It looks like they have been thrown into a room with chained up walkers.........and the bones on the floor are the left overs of the victims who were eaten........

How about posting the link to this photo?

476 posted on 03/31/2014 3:07:02 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: Envisioning
I was thinking more along the lines of they were drugged and woke up in the rail car

That was my thought too and I warned them on the previous TWD thread.....LOL!

477 posted on 03/31/2014 3:14:01 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: Secret Agent Man
they probably had trouble with outsiders and lost a bunch of their own (now their chained-up walkers since they were THEIR group, not strangers) but their group won/survived. if newcomers are friendly and go along with everything that’s going on there, as they learn more, they may join, but at the slightest sign of not going along, they become a threat and are turned into food. and from that pile there are a lot of people who do not go along with the core terminus folks.

I disagree with the entire assessment. They're a cloistered community of cannibals who have no desire to increase their ranks because the more people the more who need to be fed.

How they became what they are remains to be seen but the fact remains is that ANYONE who ventures into their town, OUR group included, will ultimately become food for them..........

478 posted on 03/31/2014 3:23:57 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

well, that could be, but there is strength in numbers and attrition deaths occur, skills are lost, and then needed. they have to have a certain number of people to watch a large area, fenced in or not, do maintenance of security stuff and basic chores, at the least. every other group that’s been around has benefitted from new people, teaching stuff to others, etc. it doesn’t stop the fact that groups will attack other groups, some will win and some will lose, but the more people you have the better chances you have at surviving, even if you lose.


479 posted on 03/31/2014 3:33:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

you can’t live very long on just powedered milk. they do however do this for veal. and i think that was the point they were trying to make.


480 posted on 03/31/2014 3:35:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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