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A detail in the second of the two bison hides — known as the Segesser Hide Paintings — depicts the attack on Villasur’s party in eastern Nebraska. The hides are now housed in Santa Fe’s Palace of the Governors museum.

A detail in the second of the two bison hides — known as the Segesser Hide Paintings — depicts the attack on Villasur’s party in eastern Nebraska. The hides are now housed in Santa Fe’s Palace of the Governors museum.

1 posted on 03/21/2014 5:54:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

The winners always write the history.


3 posted on 03/21/2014 6:18:37 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Pray for the owners and staff of Ares Armor)
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To: SunkenCiv

Years ago I had a book on New Mexico history that mentioned this battle.

The author said that some of those in the Pawnee camp were really french soldiers disguised as Pawnee.


4 posted on 03/21/2014 6:18:51 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: SunkenCiv

They need to look closer at the label. People often confuse the Spanish with the Greeks.

5 posted on 03/21/2014 6:23:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting painting - the hide has the look and luminosity of a reasonably well prepared European vellum.


7 posted on 03/21/2014 6:27:47 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: SunkenCiv

More here.

http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0300/frameset_reset.html?http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0300/stories/0301_0115.html

Read this introduction to THE PAWNEE NATION on page XVI.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ym4upG2eexAC&pg=PR16&lpg=PR16&dq=Don+Pedro+de+Villasur+battle+with+pawnees&source=bl&ots=bI9RyyIlOp&sig=k1875fSFgt0utrPZXbxiV9lIEcs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0vAsU9SDA-Sw2wWT0oHYDQ&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Don%20Pedro%20de%20Villasur%20battle%20with%20pawnees&f=false


13 posted on 03/21/2014 7:17:21 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: SunkenCiv

There are a lot of Spanish artifacts of the period in museums in New Mexico. Importantly, the Spanish of the time were good record keepers, and much of what we know of world trade during those times comes from these records.

One exhibit gave me a chuckle. There was a lot of decorative vanity objects with elaborately engraved doodads. One of these was blades that descended from their stirrups.

http://i.imgur.com/Kf6DPu8.jpg

“Heavy, hand-wrought iron “estribos de cruz,” or “Conquistador stirrups” used by Spanish cavalry troops during the 1700s, kept getting longer and longer, so eventually were banned as “unsuitable and dangerous” in the Royal Regulations of 1772.”

In one of these Museums, they have the actual letter (with translation) sent by the equivalent of the Spanish Inspector General’s office. In dry military bureaucratese, it describes how these are a safety hazard and are therefore banned.

It looked just like something that could be generated by some pipsqueak general in the Pentagon today.


18 posted on 03/21/2014 8:12:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Does this have anything to do with Wounded Knee? 1ST Cavalry?

What’s wrong with me?! Spaniards are proto-Mexicans and so can not do wrong against other people of color.

Dumb me.


21 posted on 03/22/2014 7:41:47 AM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: SunkenCiv

A bunch of brown eyed people killed some other brown eyed people .

Awesome.


22 posted on 03/22/2014 7:53:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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