450 knots, btw.
Posted on 03/18/2014 12:18:38 PM PDT by servo1969
Lots of things can cause an electrical fire, electrical fire is on my list (way down). But I don't think that was it. Too many sensors to allow damage to go otherwise undetected in this particular case, as I said.
450 knots, btw.
450 knots, btw.
If you say so. Still looking for the same result from jumbo jet crashes.
Mi initial comment was to someone who asked how would it be possible for neither pilot to communicate. Using the subject of this thread, Rush talks to a 777 pilot, i attempted to expand upon their thoughts and explain more deeply.
Me personally, professionally speaking, way to early to formulate any ideas of cause. Will wait for the facts as they come in. If one starts to formulate concepts and conclusions before the facts, the mind is too closed to accept anything else but what one believes in that moment.
That never should have been said...
Yes 50 empty seats, but speculation is for the cargo weights to be high. Normal for that time and route of flight.
Another factor which is not and would not be known, is this area Southeast Asia has had a higher than normal incidents of tail strikes on takeoff. Due to many factors, mostly wrong weight calculated causing an early rotation. It would not surprise me nor anyone who understood the depth of that fact to find pilots are holding off rotation to prevent such an occurrence. Thereby leading to overlimiting the nose wheel tire speed.
It is always amazing to me to find and discover how one factor affects another. Thats why it is so fascinating
I don't judge theories by the size of the ego behind it. Every theory so far is speculation, no matter who is speaking.
FR is not a formal accident board, it's still a free forum.
As far as I know there are no published numbers yet on the takeoff weight. Maybe there will be.
Yes you are correct. They have not published the actual airplane weights. And you are correct in saying they probably not near tire speed limits upon rotation. However, techniques around here would amaze a person. I was using that as a example of what could cause a nose wheel tire to explode. Many many other factors have been known to chase a nosewheel tire to expand and explode in the wheel well.
Generally, jumbo jets don’t go into vertical dives and reach terminal velocity, reaching the same speeds as military jets. But when they do, the explode like a bomb - like Flight 93 on 9/11.
Over a 28 year military career, I’ve seen just about everything crash at one time or another, so, yes, I do say so.
Water is a relatively incompressible fluid, speaking as someone with not a little fluid mechanics training. An object hitting an incompressible fluid at serious speed might as well be hitting a solid wall.
What’s peculiar about that? Lots of people complain about the US Government. Now if he started saying jihad or something along that line, that would be the time to watch him.
Ok - I admit I failed to admit a crucial part of the story - he was complaining about what the US has done to his Muslim co-horts. I can’t remember for sure which country - but I thought it was Iran.
With that extra information you provided, yes I would watch that guy. It only makes sense.
Sure, like debris on the runway.
Anyway electrical fire is further down on my list because it doesn't fit the rest of the scenario -- the lack of distress calls and the fact they flew around for several more hours, apparently not incapacitated (at least initially). The graphic of their known flight path shows a zig-zag pattern consistent with finding an airway to join, not with a descent into a recovery field. And reports had them flying directly over known navigational waypoints after their initial turn away from course to Vietnam, something they would have done with use of the FMS and the autopilot. If they'd been proceeding direct to a suitable field after the first turn then why all the subsequent turns over such a long distance with no radio calls? These various other facts don't mesh with the fire scenario.
Avoiding a lawsuit from CAIR USA.
Another thought debunking the “electrical failure” theory. Are we to believe the crew couldn’t make a radio call because of electrical failure, yet the engine reporting system was able to ping a satellite via SATCOM every hour for several more hours (without reporting actual engine data since the airline had no subscription to this service)? That seems far-fetched.
Any navy aegis or carrier radar in the region (not blocked by earth curvature ~ 16 nm line of sight increasing distance with altitude) would have the radar and transponder data - we normally have a number of capable ships around Singapore and the straits. They track everything they get a return for and will highlight anything without a transponder immediately.
The approach radar you refer to is not what is used for tracking purposes. It is specifically engineered for the launch/approach purpose.
It would be unexpected that there is no tracking data all the way (from the turnoff to whereever it went) and we likely know what really occurred.
The transponder turnoff would have been noted almost immediately and flagged by whoever had the air traffic radar and CIC watch posts - and given the timing they would have been on watch only an hour or so.
Whether we or another country had such a ship in the vicinity (there wasn’t a carrier or LHD in the area, but there is normally an Aegis destroyer or cruiser) is the only question...but given proximity to the such a strategic strait and Singapore I have little doubt there was such a ship in the area. Singapore has a phased array radar on their Formidable class frigates that appears to be similar to earlier aegis variants - whether they actively track the way we do I’m unsure.
That makes a lot of sense.
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