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To: Leonard210
So Apple pay, environment, work hours and other standards in China are equivalent to US pay, environment, work hours and other standards? You are correct, I’m just an uneducated rube. Hey, I have an idea, if it’s all just same-same, why not build where you spent money on the politicians who wrote those glorious standards.

No, the pay, work hours, and overtime are not the equivalent of here. . . They are far better than the pay standards for China. . . But Apple assures the safety standards ARE equivalent. An attempt to cut overtime was a failure with workers threatening suicides. . . they WANT to work as much overtime as possible. To us it seems crazy. . . But these workers send money home to their extended families and factory shift work is among the best paying work in China and time and a half overtime is GOLD. The best pay of all is to work on an Apple job.

And again, you assume Apple made political contributions. You assume WRONG! Apple had a very low budget for that kind of thing. Far, far less than Microsoft or Google or Facebook. . . it's an assumption with no basis in fact. Apple did not even pay a full time lobbyist until a couple of years ago. They essentially ignored government. Why do you think Apple products were not bought by the government? Apple didn't lobby. Scientists who wanted Macs, and a lot of them did, had to jump through hoops to get them.

126 posted on 03/20/2014 2:23:38 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

” No, the pay, work hours, and overtime are not the equivalent of here. . . They are far better than the pay standards for China. . . But Apple assures the safety standards ARE equivalent. An attempt to cut overtime was a failure with workers threatening suicides. . . they WANT to work as much overtime as possible. To us it seems crazy. . . But these workers send money home to their extended families and factory shift work is among the best paying work in China and time and a half overtime is GOLD. The best pay of all is to work on an Apple job.”

Fine, but you know this because you have talked with each worker with no coercion? No, you believe what the Geneva man told you. Good for you. I don’t.


128 posted on 03/20/2014 2:27:09 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Viva Perot)
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To: Swordmaker

“And again, you assume Apple made political contributions.”

I don’t assume, I know that there are many off-the-books ways to make political contributions besides money. You’d know that too had you been classically trained in economics. Oh wait, you were.


130 posted on 03/20/2014 2:43:39 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Viva Perot)
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To: Swordmaker

“An attempt to cut overtime was a failure with workers threatening suicides. . . they WANT to work as much overtime as possible. To us it seems crazy. . . But these workers send money home to their extended families and factory shift work is among the best paying work in China and time and a half overtime is GOLD. The best pay of all is to work on an Apple job.”

Wait, why would that seem crazy? I know lots of people who love overtime. Oh wait, maybe it seems crazy because you took the word of the Geneva man who said that kids were jumping out of buildings because they wanted more overtime.

So here’s your chance to post your primary sources for this story. Everything I find contradicts what you just said.


131 posted on 03/20/2014 3:16:12 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Viva Perot)
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