Posted on 03/09/2014 7:30:57 PM PDT by fabian
We have a huge problem with ministers of most churches learning intellectually, the bible and the truth, then repeating it to their followers. This is a false and weak representation of God and the very reason we are losing our nation and world!
Of course Satan uses religion to deceive the deceivable, but that does not mean that the real holy spirit is not to be relied upon. The problem is that the church as a whole, has failed in its responsibility to teach people to “be still and know.” And to pray unceasingly...both are in scripture. The root of prayer is..to examine oneself..examine...same as watch..see...there is a very silent prayer that is needed to come to God...and it is not attainable by learning the scriptures. Those texts are being misused by you and many...it is the holy inside agrees with scriptures...but IT is the teacher, comforter, NOT the scripture itself.
Practitioners might as well have a bone through their nose and a pot of missionaries on the fire, for the black rank idolatry and deceit of Roy and his minions and acolytes are on par with the priests of Marduk and the prophets of Baal.
The spirit running this program is of such stench of death that he likely reports daily the toll of the fools who bought into this deception to Satan himself. Magic as the theology, Ouija board as scripture, necromancy as the hymnody, the putrefaction of death the incense. Claiming the names and words of God for itself, this modern version of the ancient degradation has nothing to do with God save for it being practiced in the regions of hell which He appointed for the damned.
Oh boy..is all I can say. You are projecting all sorts of evil me and my post and you have no idea how I correct you are. Oh well.
Magic...having supernatural powers...wonderful, exciting.
Those are all part of definition of magic. They can easily be applied to the miracles of walking on water, raiding the dead, etc. Do me a favor, and stop calling Jesus satanic, because that is exactly what you have done.
Fabian, I will pray for you because you are being deceived and do not know it. You apparently are a disciple of Masters, trying to indoctrinate people. We will rebuke and correct you and pray for you. If you continue to lead people into this false philosophy and don’t repent, God will hold you accountable.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
[Reuben Obermeister] came to America in 1949, at age 21, to lecture on diamonds. He legally changed his name to Roy Masters in 1954 (yet never acquired American citizenship) and eventually became a professional hypnotist claiming he could “save people by teaching them self-sufficiency meditative hypnosis.” The American Medical Association pressed charges against him for practicing medicine without a license. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail. He likens this “persecution” to the persecution Jesus suffered....
....In lieu of dependence on Jesus Christ for salvation, Masters teaches dependence on his meditation techniques. He teaches that mankind is inherently good, thus there is no need for salvation or a savior. All problems man encounters can be resolved through self effort. “No form of outer assistance can substitute for inner direction. Direction must come always from within. Moved by the spirit of intuition, we move without excitement, effort or strain. The more we exercise our dependency upon the Within, the stronger this relationship becomes, and we know it to be Grace,” (How To Keep Your Mind Well, p. 165, Foundation Press, 1971). Though he claims to have been saved by the blood of Christ, he states that “one of the biggest curses in Christendom is the false idea that Jesus is God”....
....Participants in his week-long seminars pay $1,200 and $50 for one-day seminars held across the country. Masters says he wants to be remembered in the same category as Moses, Jesus, the apostles, Buddha, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy.
— from the thread Roy Masters: Foundation of Human Understanding
Roy Masters and the Foundation of Human Understanding believe:
- The Bible is just words
- prayers with words aren’t true prayers
- you must pray in silence while constantly examining your thoughts and feelings (the Be Still exercise)
- you must do the Be Still exercise... It’s the fast track to salvation
- when you do it correctly, you become sinless
- Jesus Christ is not the divine Savior
- being saved means being a good person without expectation of any reward
- whoever disagrees is a false, phony Christian, a liar and apostate
- if everyone does what Roy Masters directs, we can save our country
Fabian, I will pray for you because you are being deceived and do not know it. You apparently are a disciple of Masters, trying to indoctrinate people. We will rebuke and correct you and pray for you. If you continue to lead people into this false philosophy and don’t repent, God will hold you accountable.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
[Reuben Obermeister] came to America in 1949, at age 21, to lecture on diamonds. He legally changed his name to Roy Masters in 1954 (yet never acquired American citizenship) and eventually became a professional hypnotist claiming he could “save people by teaching them self-sufficiency meditative hypnosis.” The American Medical Association pressed charges against him for practicing medicine without a license. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail. He likens this “persecution” to the persecution Jesus suffered....
....In lieu of dependence on Jesus Christ for salvation, Masters teaches dependence on his meditation techniques. He teaches that mankind is inherently good, thus there is no need for salvation or a savior. All problems man encounters can be resolved through self effort. “No form of outer assistance can substitute for inner direction. Direction must come always from within. Moved by the spirit of intuition, we move without excitement, effort or strain. The more we exercise our dependency upon the Within, the stronger this relationship becomes, and we know it to be Grace,” (How To Keep Your Mind Well, p. 165, Foundation Press, 1971). Though he claims to have been saved by the blood of Christ, he states that “one of the biggest curses in Christendom is the false idea that Jesus is God”....
....Participants in his week-long seminars pay $1,200 and $50 for one-day seminars held across the country. Masters says he wants to be remembered in the same category as Moses, Jesus, the apostles, Buddha, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy.
— from the thread Roy Masters: Foundation of Human Understanding
Roy Masters and the Foundation of Human Understanding believe:
- The Bible is just words
- prayers with words aren’t true prayers
- you must pray in silence while constantly examining your thoughts and feelings (the Be Still exercise)
- you must do the Be Still exercise... It’s the fast track to salvation
- when you do it correctly, you become sinless
- Jesus Christ is not the divine Savior
- being saved means being a good person without expectation of any reward
- whoever disagrees is a false, phony Christian, a liar and apostate
- if everyone does what Roy Masters directs, we can save our country
Interesting back and forth debate.
Fabian’s tag line is a lyric from Led Zeppelin’s “Stairway to Heaven”.
Another line from that song:
“There’s a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
‘Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.”
Magic ?
Synonyms:
bewitchery, bewitchment, conjuring, devilry (or deviltry), diablerie, enchantment, ensorcellment, mojo, necromancy, sorcery, thaumaturgy, voodooism, witchcraft, witchery, wizardry
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magic
Nothing about “Miracles”.
And then we have former Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page releasing this.
Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page: “Lucifer Rising” and the stairway to hell.
http://www.examiner.com/article/led-zeppelin-s-jimmy-page-lucifer-rising-and-the-stairway-to-hell
To be fair, my tag line is from a Jim Morrison song. But I’ll defend Morrison’s lyrics as social commentary.
Hardly, this pap has no 'real' Jesus in it. By your own admission it is anti-Trinitarian. So any 'Jesus' applied to it is a fake Christ and is opposed to the real One. That same method is used also by another well known spirit.
They can easily be applied to the miracles of walking on water, raiding the dead, etc
Of course it can, and has been. That is the way of the unbeliever. Nothing is new here, just like Marduk and Baal.
Having a magic spell? The garbled speech of Babel. No projection just observation of Royanity and its eventual result.
“wonderful,exciting...having supernatural powers.”
Isn’t it interesting how you pick the negative definition, and leave out the positive..which do indeed describe Jesus’s miracles. Most all words have multiple meanings. Pick your judgment..you only bring judgment onto yourself.
When the Word of God is used for judgement, that isn't a consideration as all will be judged by it. You can sugarcoat Royanity any way you want, it is false doctrine/teaching. Followers will go the way of all who have rejected the Lord.
I am sorry..but “having supernatural powers”...wonderful and exciting..certainly can be miracles, or descriptions of them. You just have a need to project a negative on me, which actually does not exist. And somehow now I believe the negatives attributed to Zeppelin just because I love a sentence in a lyric? Oh boy...you really are pathetic.
I took some training with an interfaith charismatic group who were deep into spiritual warfare. They prayed over people and worked with doctors and the clergy to deliver those oppressed or possessed.
But there is a difference between spiritual warfare, which is the privilege of all Christians, and exorcism, which is “mano a mano” fight with a demon, who could turn around and affect you or your family.
Also, unless one is mentally stable and spiritually solid, you could end up being affected by the demon.
Makes sense, thanks!
What do you think?
You seem to be quoting some unnamed source and the information is unreliable. Here is the statement of belief of the Foundation of Human Understanding.You can find the link by doing a google search for: Foundation of Human Understanding-statement of belief.
Jesus
I believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the only begotten Son of God. I believe that Jesus is the Messiah foretold, born of the Virgin Mary, and that accepting His perfect truth is essential to salvation. God is perfectly revealed for us in the fullness of Christ, and so we have His clear example to follow. A person must love this Truth more than worldly life, for it is by faith that we are saved, and not acts.
As far as the concept of the Trinity is concerned, it is a mystery that I am eager to understand. I believe in one God, maker of Heaven and Earth. Therefore, I have trouble accepting the expression that “Jesus is God,” since for me that means “Jesus is the Father,” the source of all wisdom. I do believe that as God’s Anointed—as the Father’s Son in whom He was well pleased—judgment over men was given to Jesus, and He is deserving of worship
blind leaders of the blind...and some really wicked ones too...
This video, and another coming, is really about how Christianity has been hijacked by the cult of apostasy. Fact.
No hits for the church of Roy. The stench of death is upon them.
Nope..the stench of death is upon hijacked Christianity...hijacked by the cult of apostasy.
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