Cold Case Posse Asked Orly to Stand Down

Orly Tatz | 2/4/2014 | Orly Tatz

[Nero Germanicus]

To examine the real thing, follow the state law.
Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18(b) allows for the release of a birth vital record under the order of a court of competent jurisdiction.
Thus far, no court has issued such an order and to the best of my knowledge, no one has requested that a court issue such an order.
If there was ever to be a grand jury investigation into forgery, document tampering and/or identity theft, an examination of the original document would justify the issuance of a court order.

[DiogenesLamp]

You repeat, i'm just going to repeat. You want to hammer the law, i'm going to hammer the facts.

The document which has been put forth as genuine can not be genuine because the letter spacing it displays, violates the well known restrictions of where a typed key will fall if printed by a typewriter. Every letter of the word "OBAMA" on the top line falls between the spaces where a typewritten character would have been placed had it been typed their originally.

Don't care what courts have to say. We here on this forum are not a court of law, we are independent minds who do not have to follow foolish procedures because we have been conditioned to a ritualistic methodology. We can note that actual facts do not conform to what "Authorities" tell us because we are not obligated by procedure and presumption to regard the "Authorities" as truthful.

Let go of your artificial constraints. All you have to lose are the scales from your eyes.

[Nero Germanicus]

The line spacing on a scanned image of a PDF Is irrelevant.

Has anybody ever discussed line spacing before a congressional committee or before any state’s elections board or commission? Did any state’s Chief Elections Official, such as a Secretary of State hold up ballot spots for the Democratic Party’s nominee for president due to line spacing on a PDF?

Line spacing on a PDF is a fun discussion topic on Internet blogs, nothing more.

If you want to make a serious case for forgery or document tampering, take the evidence to a law enforcement agency or a prosecuting attorney.

[DiogenesLamp]

The line spacing on a scanned image of a PDF Is irrelevant.

That it is a PDF document is irrelevant. That is is claimed to be a SCANNED image of a typewritten document is all too relevant.

This claim is demonstrably a lie. The burden of proof has shifted against *YOU*.

Once again, no typewriter would have produced typewritten characters that fall in between the normal character spacing, therefore this is NOT a genuine document.

This is me pounding the facts again.

[JohnnyP]

I think this comparison of letters is more telling:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OGmIKs8u1O4/Te7I93K5-KI/AAAAAAAAC_4/TmmA7hitPDo/s640/060711Ireylettercomparison.jpg

[DiogenesLamp]

I think this comparison of letters is more telling:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OGmIKs8u1O4/Te7I93K5-KI/AAAAAAAAC_4/TmmA7hitPDo/s640/060711Ireylettercomparison.jpg

I've seen that. It's very compelling, but this business of the typed characters not falling where they should is quick and obvious once it's pointed out. Note how Germanicus is flailing about trying to distract with irrelevancies? It's got him rattled.

[logi_cal869]

What have you done to help out in this investigation?

Sorry...I play chess, not games. Much like the game CCP is playing.

[Brown Deer]

Sorry...I play chess, not games.

Chess is a game and you are also playing a game called trolling on FR.

[Brown Deer]

Note how Germanicus is flailing about trying to distract with irrelevancies?

Maybe it's because he is also irrelevant?

[logi_cal869]

Chess is a game and you are also playing a game called trolling on FR.

Baiting is juvenile. Maybe you should read my posts kid.

[Brown Deer]

You got the ZOT for a reason.

[Red Steel]

I call him Nero BS-manicus.

[Nero Germanicus]

Where, other than on Internet blogs/forums like this one, has the so-called “relevance” of line spacing on the PDF made a difference?

[Ray76]

Characters produced by typewriters align vertically in columns. How could a typewriter have produced “None” in box 17a not vertically aligned with “August” in box 5a? What plausible explanation do you offer to explain why part of the form is offset? What explains the anomalous alignment?

[Ray76]

I took an image posted upthread and placed a grid over it. Note the typewritten characters align vertically in columns.

[logi_cal869]

Calling someone else a troll without basis, without reading my posts, is a personal attack and a basis for banning.

All I stated was “I’m so sick of this crap”.

If you took that personally, so sad for you.

I don’t have to defend my comment but will engage in discussion. I had typed up an ‘explanation’, but you don’t deserve it. You might have chosen to engage me intellectually, to challenge what I’m “sick of”, but you attack...an attack that is very ‘Alinsky-like’. A ‘game’. A ‘cheap thrill’. I encounter your type frequently. I have clever jpgs, too; not worth my time.

I’m bored; so done with you.

Btw, Chess is not a ‘game’, kid. Checkmate.

[Nero Germanicus]

Someone should get that evidence before a grand jury. After all, photocopies and digital scans of the Obama long form has been available since April, 2011.

[Red Steel]

Vogt is making some headway by presenting Obama's fraud to judges in mass. 175 judges.

Report: Federal Judge To Submit Obama Birth Certificate Forgery Evidence To Grand Jury

[DiogenesLamp]

Someone should get that evidence before a grand jury. After all, photocopies and digital scans of the Obama long form has been available since April, 2011.

I think we here would be more interested in hearing you comment regarding the anomaly. You've spent the last year promoting procedural kabuki dance above all other considerations, and so now we would like to see you deal with an actual fact for a change.

How about you opine on how a document could be genuine when the typed characters don't rest where they should? Alternatively, a concession that it appears to be fake is also acceptable. (though I won't hold my breath.)

[GregNH]

photocopies and digital scans of the Obama long form has been available since April, 2011.Wrong, it has been established that a paper document of what you see NEVER existed.