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1 posted on 01/23/2014 4:00:55 PM PST by umgud
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I can’t say which covers more. Medicare is for those on Social Security, either retired or on Social Security Disability. I think you have to wait 2 years after getting SS Disability to get Medicare. Medicaid, or Medi-Cal for California, is income-qualified. I would think you could get Medicaid before becoming eligible for Medicare if you meet the income restrictions.


2 posted on 01/23/2014 4:13:45 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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Having been a consultant for many years at the IL Dept. of Public Aid (the MEDICAID agency), I can answer for IL based on experience.

Each state can optionally cover some aspects and receive the Federal matching funds commensurate with their coverage and documentation. IL, at the time, was a 50% match. All states cover basically what Medicare covers at Federal direction but, again, can add services.

IL had no limitation on service to a recipient and no co-pays of any kind. They made a half-hearted attempt at collection from third party payers if the individual may have been covered by some sort of insurance. While some procedures required prior approval, if the doctor recommended it, the procedure was almost always approved. And, yes, that included organ transplants and the like. Do not recall seeing any sex-change procedures but then when I was there, that wasn’t so ‘common’.

The only safeguard against overuse of the MEDICAID system was the low reimbursement rate for everyone other than hospitals and nursing homes who were paid very well. IL had to pay less than what Medicare paid for a doctor’s procedure and that Medicare payment was low to begin with.

At one point IL paid $8.10 for a common office visit. That visit cost you or me $25.00. The state rate only went up if the Fed rate went up and, as doctors lost money on MEDICAID clients, it wasn’t long before you and I were paying $65.00 for that same visit. The only other way to make money as a physician was to herd patients through like cattle and make money in bulk.

Sadly, MEDICAID was some good coverage. Too good, and it was abused until it became a lifetime ‘right’. Hey, costs me nothing to go to the doctor/hospital/dentist/whatever, I have my green card (the IL MEDICAID card which was never green to my knowledge - color based on your status).


3 posted on 01/23/2014 4:27:03 PM PST by RonInNaples
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Medicare starts at 65.
Medicaid is primarily for unemployed or low income


5 posted on 01/23/2014 4:32:33 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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As many of my former patients used to say about MediCaid “It’s the bestest insurance cuz it don’t cost you a thing”


7 posted on 01/23/2014 4:42:14 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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Evidently, if you are on Medicaid, they will come after your estate after you die. I haven't figured it all out yet, but Obamacare is expanding the Medicaid roles with middle class people who lost their insurance. Now they can go after the person's estate. Some people are saying they can go after your estate even if you don't use the Medicaid. I heard that on Fox News tonight. That doesn't make sense, but then Obamacare doesn't make any sense.

By putting middle class people on Medicaid through the ObamaCare website rather than letting them keep their current insurance, the government will be able to take assets after the person dies. If they had been able to keep their insurance, they might not owe anything to the government.

8 posted on 01/23/2014 5:24:50 PM PST by FR_addict
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You don’t want to go on expanded Medicaid if you have any assets because of Asset Recovery and liens that can be placed against your property.

They got rid of the asset limit when they relaxed the eligibility requirements so they could sucker a lot of people with assets into Medicaid and then scoop up the assets.


14 posted on 01/23/2014 6:01:36 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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Some of those who get their incomes from the big pile of debt tend to complain about this, but there are good and legal ways around having your property confiscated by their own socialist lobbies.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 6:21:18 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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save for later


21 posted on 01/23/2014 7:55:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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You can be on Medicaid before 65 years old and be on both Medicare and Medicaid after 65. I don’t think you can be on Medicaid only after 65 unless you are ineligible for Medicare.


22 posted on 01/24/2014 6:33:18 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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