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Lawyer: People should be ‘outraged’ (video - NMSP officer shoots, kills driver during traffic stop)
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | January 17, 2014 | Andy Stiny

Posted on 01/17/2014 9:12:59 AM PST by CedarDave

Dash-cam video released Thursday shows a State Police officer running toward and alongside the car driven by Jeanette Anaya and firing multiple times into the Honda sedan as he screams expletives and for the occupants to get their hands up.

Anaya’s car did back into officer Oliver Wilson’s cruiser, apparently narrowly missing Wilson himself, but the video shows that the Honda was moving away from Wilson as most of his 16 shots were fired.

Anaya, 39, was hit and killed by two of Wilson’s shots, following a vehicle chase that started when Wilson tried to pull her over for a traffic stop after midnight on Nov. 7.

When the shooting took place, Wilson was outside his patrol car. He had used a bumping maneuver to force her car to stop on Camino Carlos Rey. All within just a few seconds, Wilson gets out of his car, Anaya backs into the cruiser, and Wilson starts shooting at Anaya’s Honda. A passenger in Anaya’s car, Jeremy Munoz, 34, was not injured.

Earlier this week, a Santa Fe County grand jury ruled that Wilson was justified in firing at Anaya and that he will face no criminal charges. Wilson testified he feared for his life when Anaya backed into his police car, according to District Attorney Angela “Spence” Pacheco.

But Tom Clark, attorney for Anaya’s parents, said Thursday that Anaya should have stopped during the car chase but that if Wilson wasn’t wearing a police uniform, he’d be facing a first-degree murder charge now.

Clark said he was “shocked and dismayed” after viewing the video.

“I had no idea it was going to be as bad as it was,” he said. “I didn’t think it would be so dramatic with the officer running alongside shooting point-blank into the car.”

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To: dsc

The reason society is such a mess is because we’ve lost our morals. Cops are shooting more people now.


101 posted on 01/17/2014 11:28:56 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cuban leaf
For all we know that officer may have saved the lives of others in the future.

But we DON'T know. All we DO know is that he shot her and she is dead. I can't go randomly shoot people and then say 'Well maybe someday they would have been bad.' He should be hung.
102 posted on 01/17/2014 11:31:26 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: oldenuff2no

All is hunky dory until he starts running beside her car shooting at her. That is what I have a problem with.

He wasn’t shooting at her as she backed toward him. he shot at her as she drove away.

Should we start shooting everyone who drives with excessive speed?


103 posted on 01/17/2014 11:33:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cuban leaf
Lesson: Don’t mess with armed human beings while emotions and adrenilin is flowing. You are liable to get shot.

So it is her fault? SO... I can get off of any murder I do when I am packing heat because 'they should not have upset me'.
104 posted on 01/17/2014 11:33:33 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: OneWingedShark
...because that's bad? — I seriously don't see why it should have been moved. *shrug* Oh well.

I further suspect it's because of strong comments by those who support police vs. those who don't. Comments on the news forum tend to be generally of one mind - either supportive or disagreeable depending on the article content.

Other examples of topics kept out of News forum are articles about religion and pit bulls killing people.

105 posted on 01/17/2014 11:35:00 AM PST by CedarDave (Fox News - Obama couldn't sign up for healthcare because the system couldn't verify his identity!)
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To: Foolsgold

15 with one in battery.


106 posted on 01/17/2014 11:37:58 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: oldenuff2no
Well obviously she represented a significant threat to each and every man woman and child living in those residential neighborhoods as she recklessly raced through at up to 89 MPH.

How do we know she did that... oh that is right... because he was behind her DOING IT TOO. It is a capitol offense for her to do it and he should get a metal... right...
107 posted on 01/17/2014 11:38:04 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: CedarDave
Other examples of topics kept out of News forum are articles about religion and pit bulls killing people.

So you're saying that they wouldn't appreciate a story about founding a religion based on pit-bulls killing people. ;)

108 posted on 01/17/2014 11:42:42 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: cuban leaf
You take your life into your own hands when you attack one with deadly force and he has been given limited authority to do what most people wouldn't be allowed to do.

Just because someone does something dumb does not make them subject to summary execution. Just because they 'take their life in their own hands' does not resolve the party that killed them of all responsibility. Otherwise anyone could get off the hook for a road rage murder by saying, "But officer I TOLD him I had a gun and he still kept saying mean things to me. That makes it his fault right?"

'They made me mad' should not be a get out of jail free card for anyone, regardless of what uniform they have on.
109 posted on 01/17/2014 11:42:43 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: driftdiver
"Should we start shooting everyone who drives with excessive speed?"

The LE had witnessed both her felony reckless driving and her attempt to run him over which is a violent felony. She had been driving at speeds up 89 MPH in 25 MPH residential areas. She was a very real and immediate threat to the life and welfare of everyone in her path.

How many of those people was he supposed to allow her to injure, mangle, or kill before he stopped her from doing more damage? That there was no one on the streets for as far and as long as this chase lasted was just pure good luck. It would not have gone on much longer.

110 posted on 01/17/2014 11:43:18 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: TalonDJ
I can't go randomly shoot people and then say ‘Well maybe someday they would have been bad.’

The nuances of this story make this one virtualy impossible to discuss rationally. I say that because I completely agree with that sentence. So we are in agreement.

But the devil is in the details and there are a LOT of them here. What many people are ignoring is how God wired human beings - how we think, how “fight or flight” works, what adrenalin does, etc. This applies to what the woman was thinking as well as what the cop was thinking.

111 posted on 01/17/2014 11:43:21 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: oldenuff2no

Reminds me? What exactly are the ‘Rules of Engagement” for our Troops in harms way???? Everyday??? Like I said. Drug Test Police, every week.


112 posted on 01/17/2014 11:46:30 AM PST by WorksinKOP
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To: TalonDJ

So it is her fault?


Nope. But it reminds me of those 1960’s seat belt commercials: He was right. Dead right.

If I ever found myself doing what she did before she was shot, I would naturally assume I was putting my life into the hands of another human being who probably had adrenalin flowing from the chase and it was significantly pumped up when I rammed his car and it is quite possible that in the emotion of the moment he thought I tried to kill him.

And his job is to protect the public and the person who just tried to kill him is driving off and he has a gun. He may just try to use it to stop me. Not that he should, but adrenalin does interesting things to the thought process. It is why people do things in a mob they would never normally do.

Neither the woman nor the cop is a machine. They are both human beings. It means the risk of something happening that did, in fact, happen, increases as the situation increases in intensity.

And a bad thing happened. It impacts the woman’s family and it impacts the cop and his family. All of them for the rest of their lives. And because it was, essentially, over a $500 bond, it makes it truly a tragedy for all concerned.


113 posted on 01/17/2014 11:48:25 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: oldenuff2no

“The LE had witnessed both her felony reckless driving and her attempt to run him over which is a violent felony. “

For which she should be charged with and face a jury.

Not summarily executed.


114 posted on 01/17/2014 11:49:33 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TalonDJ

You are leaving out key aspects of this that are actually the main points I hang my opinion on.

I guess I just cut human beings more slack than most here. I also don’t believe he was shooting to kill. I believe he was shooting to get her to stop - at the subconscious level.

Being a man, I know the heart of man. Under the circumstances as I understand them, I can see myself doing what she did. I can also see myself doing what he did. Not that either would be right. I feel for both of them.


115 posted on 01/17/2014 11:51:09 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: WorksinKOP

Our troops certainly can not shoot under similar circumstances. in a war zone.


116 posted on 01/17/2014 11:51:59 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cuban leaf

“And his job is to protect the public”

Thats not his job or function.


117 posted on 01/17/2014 11:52:51 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CedarDave

Rule #1: obey the law. Would have prevented this tragedy.


118 posted on 01/17/2014 11:54:51 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: driftdiver

“And his job is to protect the public”

Thats not his job or function.


So, what does “To protect and serve” mean to you?


119 posted on 01/17/2014 11:55:23 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Its a nifty slogan frequently printed on stickers used in the law enforcement community.

You and I both know that law enforcement has no obligation to protect any person.


120 posted on 01/17/2014 11:56:57 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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