Posted on 01/15/2014 4:26:24 PM PST by Kevmo
Okay, riddle me this, how many watts in a pound of coal?
Didn’t think so. That is BTUs, which can be only translated to Joules.
It’s you who are so far behind in even basic physics that you can’t grasp this concept.
As I said, power reactors are rated in Watts. But it is assumed to be continuous. which is, you got it, Joules over a given span of time.
I am not sure if you are ignorant and really don’t know, or are just being argumentative because you know you are wrong.
And to your electrical resistor analogy: wrong again. Yes, a resistor is rated in watts, but it’s assumed to be *continuous* just like a power reactor, so you can assume Joules. Even better though, most large power resistors actually have a time limit on dissipation capacity. Ie., energy. Get it yet?
In which case, they should be able to generate enough energy to reach whatever activation threshold is required once they’re “sparked,” and then be disconnected from the wall.
***You’re assuming they have enough control over the process to be that stable. It is an invalid assumption.
And yet, the remarkable thing is that these devices — just like the E-Cat — for some reason have to remain connected to commercial power. And this fact does not raise any red flags for you.
***Where did I EVER say it does not raise any red flags? Never. You just presume I say it, and continue to argue against the straw argument, again and again and again. Like a freshman, not like a guy with a post-grad science degree.
Now, you can dispute my education all you like,
***why thank you. Because I think you lied when you said you had a post-grad physics degree.
but even as a sixth grader
***The difference between a 6th grader and a freshman in college is that the freshman is aware of logical fallacies. You don’t seem to be aware of them, so that puts your level of education somewhere between 6th grade and 12th grade.
I would have been very skeptical of a “power source” that is unable to operate on its own.
***That’s because you make so many assumptions that your argumentation is worthless. Look at Operational Amplifiers: how long did they operate before someone invented the feedback loop? And that was an electrical-electrical feedback loop. In the LENR case, it would appear to be a heat-electrical or hydrogen pressure-heat or Nickel%-Heat or some other conversion feedback loop. You don’t seem to know science all that well, especially for someone as disdainful as you are.
I don’t watch demos. They are dumb, unless you are talking about the performance of a TV or a graphics chip, where visualization of data is the idea.
Give me the energy in to energy out. Not the power in to power out, the energy in to energy out. Give me data, or be laughed at.
All it will look like is a spark in a vessel, if they even allow us to see the actual device, and these cons won’t, guarantee it. How do I know? Patent is not approved, so they wouldn’t risk showing us the guts, even if it were real.
As for sticking to scientific arguments, If I remove invective and blather from your current response, this is what remains:
Rossi was convicted of Tax evasion, not fraud.
OK. This is fact, not opinion.
Unfortunately, it's not true. He was convicted of both. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/docs/1996Corriere-della-Sera-Rossi-March28.pdfYou may object to the source, but this is simply a reprint of his sentencing transcript. He perpetrated a fraud on a municipality claiming to have a new and innovative waste disposal system, which he did not have. He was ordered to pay restitution and was sentenced to 2 years and 8 months.
The rest of your post is name calling, with no content whatsoever. The qualification "hot fusion" is unnecessary. There is no other kind of fusion. As for my buddies, I was a condensed matter theorist, and except for bumping up against one or two of them accidentally at a crowded APS after-hours social event, I wouldn't know a fusion physicist if he dropped dead on my doorstep. There was no fusion research going on at my university, then or now. I defend them because they're doing real science, and I upbraid your "scientists" because they aren't. Nothing personal.
I’m asking you where this article claims there is a duration of 20,000 seconds. And I’m still waiting for a citation in which this is claimed to be a nuclear reaction.
Okay, riddle me this, how many watts in a pound of coal?
***I have looked at and measured power generation circuits in the lab and never once have I measured a lump of coal. Your analogy not only falls flat, but it’s from a completely different INDUSTRY. You said this applies to the power generation industry. Since when does the power generation industry deliver households lumps of coal?
As I said, power reactors are rated in Watts. But it is assumed to be continuous. which is, you got it, Joules over a given span of time.
***And yet, here you are pushing an example where the output was a PULSE. You’re the one who doesn’t know what’s going on here.
I am not sure if you are ignorant and really don’t know, or are just being argumentative because you know you are wrong.
***Perhaps you can show all of us, in your great magnanamity of spirit, just how a PULSE is CONTINUOUS OUTPUT POWER? No, I didn’t think so.
And to your electrical resistor analogy: wrong again. Yes, a resistor is rated in watts,
***And... uh... EXACTLY HOW was I wrong?
but it’s assumed to be *continuous* just like a power reactor,but it’s assumed to be *continuous* just like a power reactor, so you can assume Joules.
***What a bunch of horse manure. Electricians & EE’s don’t go around talking about how many Joules a resistor dissipates.
It’s you who are so far behind in even basic physics that you can’t grasp this concept can assume Joules.
***But you said that for the power generation industry, by using Watts it screams “scam”. You are so far off the beaten path of demonstrating your point that you won’t ever find your way back. Not that it would matter if you did.
Even better though, most large power resistors actually have a time limit on dissipation capacity. Ie., energy. Get it yet?
***Sounds a lot like you’re reaching, and that your original point no longer “screams” SCAM but more like it “whispers” it if you can do the conversion in your head when no one else in the industry does it when they measure resistors. That is, unless they’re looking at ESD damage and suddenly, you guessed it, we’re dealing with a PULSE rather than CONTINUOUS POWER. Head on back to your high school coal mining class, short pants.
There is an exception to this, of course. Magnetic bottles that do not allow a generated plasma to touch the containment vessel, will not melt at those temperatures.
***Well, you stole the wind from my sails on that point.
But that is a hot fusion technology, not a cold one, nor this junk science in this article, which is not nuclear at all.
***After hundreds of $billions of our money spent on that rathole of hot-fusion, perhaps the ONLY thing we’ll ever get is magnetic bottles that can withstand the heat of Cold fusion modules. Now that would be ironic.
And I am very aware of the charade that is hot fusion. Anything that has been around that long becomes a institution, not a research project, IMO. Like Global Warming, it becomes a grant generating machine. Just one more problem, and then the next, and the next...
***In other words, FRAUD. JUNK SCIENCE.
by failed haoxers at MIT.
***I’m glad to see you acknowledge that.
We’re falling behind in science and technology because idiots post
***You give me WAY too much credit. We’re falling behind in science because of posts on FRee Republic? You’re off your rocker.
We’re falling behind in science because hundreds of $billions have been dumped into your favorite fraud that is controlled hot-fusion.
This not a LENR thread and it isn’t even your thread you are wrong on both counts. Lets see if you are a man and own up to your mistake.
fanciful unicorn droppings of conmen and their clueless enablers and turn it into energy.
***That sounds so very much like the controlled-hot-fusion scam that it makes me wonder if perhaps you’re finally coming around. Of course, we’ll NEVER regain the hundreds of $billions PUBLIC money pissed down that rathole, whereas the vast majority of cold fusion research has been privately funded. And the only verified fraud in cold fusion has been, you guessed it, the publicly funded hot-fusion boys at MIT who falsified their POSITIVE results. Maybe you can give them some pointers on continuing to live on the guvmint teat, seein’ as how you’ve bragged about how long you were on it for so long.
Like indictments, and eventual convictions.
***I’m looking forward to it. We’ll NEVER regain the hundreds of $billions PUBLIC money pissed down that rathole, whereas the vast majority of cold fusion research has been privately funded. And the only verified fraud in cold fusion has been, you guessed it, the publicly funded hot-fusion boys at MIT who falsified their POSITIVE results. Indictments and convictions, indeed.
Other than the fact that it doesn’t appear to say 83 Volts in the article, you make a good point. Which is about equal to all the other fallacious arguments you keep posting. Maybe your post-grad science degree was at a diploma mill.
we’ll run out of water.
***Not bloody likely. There’s enough energy in one gallon of sea water as 50 gallons of gasoline.
Rossi is a convicted conman
***He’s a convicted tax evader, and maybe tens of thousands of freepers would be convicted of what he was convicted of.
and the E-Cat is a hoax.
***Interesting faith position. Feel free to prove it. You don’t because you can’t.
How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2730401/posts
Sun 05 Jun 2011 07:52:15 PM PDT · by Kevmo · 55 replies
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
In it, he appears not to know that coal can be used to generate electricity. [Or for that matter, that about half of US households receive electricity from energy generated by "lumps of coal."]
He also seems to be unaware of whether power is being generated continuously through a resister, or a pulse like a capacitor discharge, when you do ∫ i(t)V(t) dt you get energy.
He seems to be unaware that on some times scales, a "pulse" can be quite a long time. A millisecond pulse, generated over the lifetime of a nuclear decay for example, can be taken as constant throughout the events entire duration (and so isn't a pulse for that time-scale at all.)
He seems baffled by the idea that when Dr. Emmett Brown dumps a banana peel into his Mr. Fusion generator and produces 1.21 gigawatts for 1 nanosecond, he's only actually generated 1 Joule.
He then seems to think that EE's and other practitioners are unaware of the difference between power and energy, and would never speak of the energy dissipated in a resistor operating over some time period.
The ignorance on display is so colossal, so huge, so incredibly eyeball glazingly enormous that I'm beginning to believe that Kevmo himself must be operating on -- LENR.
And of course by LENR, I mean what most scientists think of when they hear that acronym.
By the way, with regards to the instant thread, here is an interesting quote from Hanno Essen [famed verifier but not really verifier of the E-Cat]
Essén: Yes, they mention, for example a man called Randell Mills, who has been working a long time with something he tried to get funded. I do not believe in it at all. His website doesn’t convince me. And hydrino would be that the hydrogen atom would collapse and release energy whereby the electron should get closer to the nucleus. It completely contradicts the uncertainty principle. So I don’t believe in that at all.
So, you may dispute that your hero Hanno Essen has a PhD as well, but, sadly he doesn't believe in the hydrino, either...
Kevmo, I won’t lower myself to calling you names like you have me. Which means I really am beginning to crack you, and having so much fun!
First, your confused. I am not the one who rated the output of the experiment in Watts. That was Blacklight. Not me, please re-examine the PR packet, it explicitly states watts, not watt-hours or joules. A good way to con everyone, and yet be legally sound if it ends up in court. “But your honor, we did make 5MW of power, for 16 picoseconds!”
Second, in the power industry, a nuclear reactor or coal plant is rated at its continuous 100% utilization output. Which means energy, not power. 9MW plant can be read as 9MWh, since it is expected to produce some wattage continuously over time. You can’t argue this: it is as solid as stone. No matter how badly you want to win this discussion, I cannot fathom the laws of physics changing for tonight so you can...
Third, go to mouser. Select a power resistor in 10W and up range. Guess what? Has a time rating on that level of power dissipation, before the resistance and further power dissipation start to derate. You calculate Joules by multiplying the watts it can dissipate by the time it can dissipate that amount of watts. The results is Joules, ie., energy. The reason us engineers don’t talk about this in Joules, is that generally speaking, most projects don’t care about continuous use of a resistor at high power, because no one wants to waste that much energy continuously. Typically large resistors are used for snubbers, which must be rated to take the power, but over a relatively short amount of time (low total energy). Exceptions are Class A signal power amplifiers. They continuously dissipate vast amounts of power at all times they are connected to the power bus. The time limit very much comes into play also in motor braking. You have to have the joules in the mechanical system at the time braking is required, to calculate how many joules you will need to dissipate in your braking resistors. This is a very typical calculation, not nearly as rare as you think because of your own limited exposure to electronics and electrical engineering.
Finally, every system that consumes, converts, or generates energy has a Joule rating, it’s just not obvious. Batteries have Amp-Hour. Coal, CNG, LNG, LPG, all have BTUs. Engines that have a continuous output rating in horsepower, have a energy output over time.
Now, to your delivery of coal to the doorstep. No, I agree, it’s pretty obvious Duke Energy has not delivered any coal or uranium fuel pellets to my door lately. But guess what, their meter explicitly says how many WATT-HOURS of ENERGY I have consumed. Get that? WATT HOURS. Not WATTS. Watt-hours are another way of expressing Joules. I know that is a probably a revelation to you, but it’s something I have known since childhood, and I don’t consider myself to be a genius or anything.
So by all means insult, call names, insult my education, but you are an amateur. You don’t understand the physics you proclaim, you don’t understand power systems, and you don’t understand electronics at a level I would be comfortable allowing you to design anything for me (it would rapidly die, more than likely, because you skipped your energy calculations related to power dissipation).
All of your posts are related to scams, at least the ones I have noticed. I wouldn’t trust you on anything further than I can throw you. I’ll bet if or when you drink, you know more than God Himself in your own mind ;-)
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