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I still get emotional about the JFK assassination 50 years later
Guardian (UK) ^ | Friday November 22, 2013 | Jesse Ventura

Posted on 12/28/2013 7:38:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv

...The founders of this country had a vision of freedom and liberty that they tried to ensure for generations to come. They tried to design a democracy so full of checks and balances that it was bulletproof. So that no matter how many crooks managed to get themselves elected, the republic still prevailed.

There have even been a few brief shining moments when the real potential of that original vision took hold. One such moment was Franklin Roosevelt's presidency. A decimated work force that was shell-shocked from the Great Depression was struggling for its very survival. FDR came to the rescue with the New Deal, a program that redistributed wealth from Wall Street to workers who'd lost their jobs as a result of corporate greed and government corruption...

Another great moment was the presidency of John F Kennedy in the early 1960s. This time the world was reeling from the Cold War, and a military gone so mad with power and war-like policies... created a very real threat of nuclear annihilation...

...What are our elected officials hiding, 50 years later?

...They've looted the treasury, pulled the rug out from under the working middle class, and re-routed our country's resources back to the war machine and the wealthiest 1%.

On top of that, they've destroyed our Fourth Amendment rights, the Bill of Rights, and our basic civil liberties by spying on us. They continue to stand in the way of offering us one form of government-run health care while our tax dollars pay for their four separate options...

Let's give the 1% the big wake-up call that they truly deserve. There's a time for observing history and there's a time for making it. We can take back our country. And if we don't do it, nobody else will.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
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To: basalt

The problem I have with the JFK assasination is two-fold:

#1: If it were a lone nut - only wanting to kill Kennedy - he would have taken the closer oncoming shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD instead of a “going away” shot down a bit of a hill and turning a bit (and over a tree).

#2: If it were truly a conspiracy with a shooter on the grassy knoll - that would have required more that two people. Realistically one would need security around the fence to insure the shooter could get the shot off, a driver who wouldn’t floor it after the first shot, some police participation, and agreement from other agencies (like FBI) to not investigate to make a name for themselves.

Neither situation seems all that feasible - but the lone shooter seems more plausible to me than a grand conspiracy.


41 posted on 12/28/2013 9:46:21 PM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: Gay State Conservative

...LBJ very probably stole Texas

LBJ stole and had people silenced. LBJ also was involved in a Coup d’etat and stole the Presidency knowing that JFK and RFK would be removed one way or another.


42 posted on 12/28/2013 9:55:18 PM PST by Netz
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To: SunkenCiv
No American rag will print Jesse's brain droppings? Has to go to the UK for ink? The Brits still think he was a Navy Seal. Meh.LOL


43 posted on 12/28/2013 10:12:09 PM PST by Daffynition (It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.)
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To: DJlaysitup

50 years...literally thousands of books..movies, documentaries, etc..yet every shred of evidence points to one man only, Oswald. Imagine if everything happened just as it did, yet only Connally was hit...Oswald would have been tried and convicted in less than a day. They did the same thing with 9-11...wait about a year,,,then the conspiracies start. Any big event, its always the same it seems. Its like some people just cant get they’re head around it. In most murder cases, you can take any one piece of the puzzle, and twist it anyway you want it to be, and make it look conspiratorial. I studied the Manson- Sharon Tate murder case for years. The first police to arrive on the scene found a pair of horned rimmed eye glasses right in the middle of the crime scene...for months, this was the main clue the police had about the crime...long story short, after it all came out,,,everyone was convicted, all the years have gone by, everyone was asked about the glasses, when there was nothing left to prove or deny, to this day, no one has any idea who the glasses belonged too. or how they got there. All the puzzle pieces never completely fit...


44 posted on 12/28/2013 10:35:03 PM PST by basalt
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To: SunkenCiv

I can never forgive FDR for approving Stalin’s Operation Keelhaul, the deliberate, forcible removal of Russians from Europe back to the Soviet Union at the end of WWII. Many were simply shot on the spot by the Soviets to save the trouble of rounding them up. Some committed suicide rather than go back.


45 posted on 12/28/2013 10:50:20 PM PST by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: DJlaysitup
Neither situation seems all that feasible - but the lone shooter seems more plausible to me than a grand conspiracy.

The one fact, if it be a fact, that I learned of recently and seems to refute any and all conspiracy theories, is that Oswald had worked in the book depository for many months before the JFK trip to Dallas was even conceived of. It was when he heard of it that he saw this opportunity and built his sniper's nest etc.

It seems airtight to me, if it stands as fact.

46 posted on 12/28/2013 10:52:31 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: gitmo

The kennedys rejected democracy when they bought the election, not the first time or the last. And jesse would stop getting emotional if he would only take his meds.


47 posted on 12/28/2013 10:58:04 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: DJlaysitup

Saw a TV program on the JFK assassination the other day that ended with a complete different conclusion than what I have ever heard before — JFK was shot by one of his SS bodyguards whose M-16 accidentally dicharged.

(SS stands for Secret Service and NOT Schutz Staffel)


48 posted on 12/28/2013 11:01:57 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: DJlaysitup

I think there might be a couple of reasons LHO did not shoot JFK as he was coming toward him. The motorcade was not on Houston for long before turning on to Elm in front of the TSBD. Maybe LHO needed the time to positively ID JFK as he had never seen a presidential motorcade before. Maybe he lost his nerve for a second. Maybe he believed that shooting him from behind might afford a better chance for escape. In any event, one witness reported someone who was believed to be LHO looking toward the triple underpass from the 6th floor before the motorcade arrived. So it seems as though LHO planned to do the shooting when the car was underneath him and/or when it reappeared from under the tree.


49 posted on 12/28/2013 11:32:08 PM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: 353FMG
Saw a TV program on the JFK assassination the other day that ended with a complete different conclusion than what I have ever heard before — JFK was shot by one of his SS bodyguards whose M-16 accidentally discharged.

Interesting conclusion they came to. I think they are out in left field, but it is an interesting conclusion.

50 posted on 12/28/2013 11:47:54 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Hardastarboard

A buddy of mine insists that getting killed was the best thing to happen to JFK’s legacy. I tend to believe he’s right.
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Agree... to a degree. Only problem is that JFK’s death put LBJ in the White House! LBJ threw us full blown into Viet Nam and also created the Great Society Welfare situation that we’re suffering from today and led the way to the racial divide that all Democrats since have furthered.

In re Ventura... The man is a total moonbat. He lied about being a SEAL, when he was only in UDT before the SEALs began. He’s trying to sue the widow of a REAL SEAL because the latter’s book mentioned how he put Jesse on his butt with one punch when he ventured into a bar frequented by SEALS. ....I suspect Ventura is also a closeted gay boy based on how I’ve seen him act tough and bluster when challenged on several TV programs; once taking off his mike and walking out during an interview. Wusss with muscles.


51 posted on 12/29/2013 12:53:29 AM PST by octex
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

“I get “emotional” about you trying to sue a national hero’s wife, you sack of sh!t!”

He cries about that too. Crying that he can’t win a case in a Texas court


52 posted on 12/29/2013 12:53:32 AM PST by Figment
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To: SunkenCiv

Scott nails it:

Twenty Reasons to Believe Oswald Acted Alone
http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1596


53 posted on 12/29/2013 3:22:45 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Lou Budvis

If the bullet had come from the 6th floor TSBD...Mrs Connally would have had JFK’s brains all over her lap.

Yep.


54 posted on 12/29/2013 3:52:53 AM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: minnesota_bound
I will give the guy credit (although not much) for one thing:

He did send out tax refund checks when the state treasury posted a huge surplus.

He actually proclaimed "a surplus says the people have been overtaxed." (not a direct quote)

Extraordinary thinking, coming from a sitting governor.

55 posted on 12/29/2013 4:01:38 AM PST by daler
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To: dr_lew

It’s an open & shut case. Jury would’ve convicted Oswald in 5 minutes.

The Liberals just can’t stomach that one of their own, a miserable little yellow Commie, did it.


56 posted on 12/29/2013 5:49:09 AM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: SunkenCiv

Nope. Don’t remember it, don’t care.


57 posted on 12/29/2013 6:19:38 AM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 2banana

They didn’t shoot enough Kennedys.


58 posted on 12/29/2013 7:10:44 AM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: Mark17

There was even a retired Australian detective involved who narrated the program.

The gist of the program was that the first shot was fired by Oswald and hit JFK and Connolly but the wounds were not lethal.

The SS guard in the car that followed the JFK vehicle heard the shot, stood up and accidentally discharged his weapon that fired the fatal shot.


59 posted on 12/29/2013 8:05:22 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: AdmSmith

Scott is axiomatically wrong, since it’s plain as day that Oswald didn’t act alone, although he probably thought he was.


60 posted on 12/29/2013 8:53:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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