Butter an optional method. :-)
Posted on 12/12/2013 7:24:25 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
There is so much contradiction someone should make a chart or something. Everyone out of the plane, Fuddy didn’t make it out of the plane. 6 foot chop, 40 foot waves. I know there are more contradictions but that’s all I can think of right now as I’m tired.
And just WHY can’t they bring the plane up to take a look at it?
And why no autopsy report?
And if Fuddy didn’t make it out of the plane, how was the deputy director (Yamamoto or something?) holding her hand as they floated about?
And when engines just cut out do they make a “bang”?
When engines blow up they make a bang...sometimes there’s smoke and fire as well. The contradictions seem to be the result of stupid writers filling in blanks.
10pm local cbs news stated the plane appeared to be unrecoverable.
And that the body has not been released to the family yet and no funeral arrangements have been made at this time.
I think I can understand there might be circumstances in which a small airline would prefer to write off an aircraft and file an insurance claim. What authority exists to enforce the retrieval of the aircraft and demand an investigation?
A full public autopsy report is going to be most unlikely imo. Just looking at her and considering her age, I would expect high cholesterol, atherosclerosis, possibly diabetes...and how embarrassing that would be for the head of the Hawaii Department of Health...
The most that can be expected is an announcement of heart failure.
This is the second Cessna that has had engine failure in the past 3 months in Hawaii, when engine failure is very rare for that aircraft. Anybody concerned about safety should be pushing to have that aircraft dug up, to find out if there is a manufacturing problem that caused the engine failure. From what I’ve read, the most common reason for engine failure is ice but that’s not a problem in Hawaii so having these 2 engine failures in such close proximity raises alarms regarding the safety of the aircraft.
Looking up information about the other Cessna that went down.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/us/hawaii-emergency-landing/
Oct 23rd. That’s 50 days before this crash. Less than 2 months. A bang, sparks, and stuff flying out of the plane. Quite a different description than this one.
“The AviationSafetyNetwork shows that before this incident, there had been 69 occurrences where airplanes lost power in all engines, 45 since the year 1980. (These don’t include private aircraft.) Of those 45, only two were on single-engine aircraft, both Grand Caravans. And both of those resulted in landings without fatalities.”
So between 1980 and Oct 22, 2013 there were 2 instances of engine failure on this kind of plane flown commercially. Yet within 50 days in the Maui area there were 2 instances, including the only instance where this kind of plane has had a casualty, and that casualty happened to be the woman who contradicted her state registrar to claim that Obama really was born in Hawaii.
Within 50 days in one small area of the country, this engine’s failure rate of 33 years DOUBLED and experienced its first fatality. From a government/regulatory safety perspective, that Cessna off Molokai DEFINITELY needs to be brought up. And from a forensic standpoint it also needs to be brought up.
The 2 Cessna engine failures that preceded the 2 in Hawaii within 50 days are listed at http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Event=ACEL
One was in Oregon March 5, 2003. The description can be found at http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20030305-0 including this cause:
“PROBABLE CAUSE: “Water contamination in the fuel system which resulted in a loss of engine power during the initial climb after takeoff, and the pilot’s inadequate pre-flight inspection. Trees were a factor.”
Sounds like ice, maybe.
The other was Sept 5, 2010 The description is at http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20100905-0 including this cause:
“The accident resulted from the creep rupture of one or more blades of the turbine compressor leading to failure of the engine in flight.
The causes of creep could not be determined. It can result from operating the engine over the temperature-threshold or non-detection during maintenance. “
The Oregon engine failure (ice?) happened at 1000 ft; the other one happened at 7000 feet 11 minutes into the flight in Central America.
According to http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20131021_None_hurt_as_plane_makes_emergency_landing_on_Maui_highway.html there were 2 pilots on the first of the 2 Cessna engine failures in the Maui area within 50 days of each other. The 2 pilots were praised but never identified. Ever. The HI Department of Transportation declined to investigate the incident but the FAA and NTSB were investigating.
Photos of that incident are at the very bottom at http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2013_10_22_archive.html
My Google search for Mokulele Express flight 1770 pilots, cause of engine failure yielded no results within the past month so apparently the cause of the engine failure has not yet been reported.
The Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board are investigating the crash and probably won’t have the benefit of examining the plane. The location of the wreckage, combined with wind and wave conditions, likely means it won’t be recovered, NTSB spokesman Eric Weiss said.
Makani Kai Air owner Richard Schuman said he has no idea why the engine failed. The plane had no previous problems, he said.
John Frank, executive director of the Cessna Pilots Association, said the Grand Caravan has a reliable engine.
“It’s very unusual to have an inflight failure of this engine — almost unheard of, actually, unless there’s some contributing factor like fuel not being available to the engine or something,” Frank said.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/14/3459266/hawaii-survivor-plane-lost-power.html#storylink=cpy
However, maintenance sometimes doesn't happen, things break and mistakes and accidents do happen, so there is no such thing as totally safe. None the less, you are staking the deck in your favor by flying on a nice day in a well maintained Cessna Carravan with a professional pilot.
I'm not good a probability, but pondering the odds, what are the chances of all events coming together for her that day? Was it her time or did someone decide to end things early?
Either way, may she be resting peacefully in a better place.
It’s actually spelled “Cessna Caravan” and flies a lot better than I spel...obviously.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3101025/posts?page=279#279
“We had a bang, ya know, while the thing climbed up, make a turn and bang, that’s it,” said Jacob Key. “After that the beeping from all the machine came up then after a few seconds, the beeping was gone and the plane is going down.”
If there’s any kind of an ivestigation into the event, surely there are other passengers with a better command of english who will be able to describe what they saw and heard?
Butter an optional method. :-)
I inherited one that looks a lot like that when my brother died. 5hp 2-stroke engine. It moves snow way better than I expected it would.
For serious work I have a Polaris 4wd ATV with plow.
I got a place to run one of those ATVs. I’ll likely get one in the future.
I’ve owned this one since 1997. It’s a great machine. When 4wd is engaged, you have to slip out all 4 wheels to lose traction. It plows snow like a beast.
Then you can quick disconnect the plow with 2 latches, and drive it in 2wd like a sprint car on dirt. Great for towing sleds too.
I see they come with mower attachments. I’ve got a field that at times could use some mowing.
I’m not familiar with that setup, but there should be no issue with having enough traction or drawbar pull.
So why don’t we set up a collection and buy her one? Someone set up a fund for Mestamachine medical recently, maybe she can tell us how to go about it...
Mesta, can you tell us how it was done?
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