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To: mdmathis6; MrB; Boogieman

A note on Bible interpretation

1. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, both old and new testaments. (2 Timothy 3:15)
2. The Bible does not contradict itself. If it does, then it is not God’s word. If one of several verses appears to say something different (at odds) with the other verses on a subject, then that one is not correctly understood. The text should not be changed to make it “fit.” Instead, one should harmonize all references by comparing scripture with scripture. (2 Corinthians 2:12,13)

Sons of God

John 1: 11, 12: “He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
[believers are sons of God, “begotten” of God]

Hebrews 1:5 “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”
[God never called an angel his son; he does call those who are “born again” his sons]

Hebrews 1:14 “Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”

[angels are ministering “spirits” sent forth on behalf of believing men “heirs of salvation” in Christ]

The Bible could not be clearer: angels are NOT the sons of God. They are spirits. Only believing men are sons of God.

Genesis 6:2, Job 2:1, Job 38:7 do not contradict. Specifically in Job 38:4 God is speaking to Job. If he is calling angels “sons of God”, then he is contradicting what he said in Hebrews 1:5 (spoken by Paul under the guidance of the Holy Spirit [God]). It is up to us to properly reconcile these verses, while not making God a liar. If we do not fully understand a verse (say Job 38:7), then the solution is not to rewrite it and make it contradict other verses, which is what the Septuagint, NIV, NLT do.

Job 38:7: 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

“When” can refer to time attendant before, during or after. The “morning stars” don’t have be angles, but could be lights in the firmament personified. And Adam and Eve, when they walked with God, and their believing offspring, even after the fall, all surely “shouted for joy.” (Job is post flood, probably a contemporary of Abraham, which puts his time frame approximately 2000 years after creation.)

I am a son of God. God is my Father and I am his son, an heir of salvation, because I have been given this power and authority by believing on his name (Jesus). Angels will never be his sons.


119 posted on 12/07/2013 7:26:21 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

Good, then if the Bible doesn’t contradict itself...then the Sons of God of Job is the same as the Sons of God in Genesis 6 or “Bene Elohim”. That term is only used in Genesis 6 and 3 times in Job.

Remember the Bible doesn’t contradict itself!

(The Hebrew word for sons of God is Bene elohim. This term for angels occurs four times in the Old Testament in the Septuagint version (the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures )

They were fallen angels, poking around where they shouldn’t have...”not having kept their first estate” as Jude says! God had them bound at some point but not before they did a lot of damage!


120 posted on 12/07/2013 10:43:31 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Secret Societies are like Sasquatch, you never catch one but they do leave footprints!)
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To: nonsporting

bene Elohim....means sons of God. But it doesn’t mean THE SON OF GOD, literally God in Flesh. The term bene Elohim refers to the special beings that perform the special tasks of God, who are so in tune with the will of God, they might as well be his sons. They are his angels!


121 posted on 12/07/2013 10:49:18 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Secret Societies are like Sasquatch, you never catch one but they do leave footprints!)
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To: nonsporting

“Genesis 6:2, Job 2:1, Job 38:7 do not contradict. Specifically in Job 38:4 God is speaking to Job. If he is calling angels “sons of God”, then he is contradicting what he said in Hebrews 1:5 (spoken by Paul under the guidance of the Holy Spirit [God]).”

Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 both clearly describe a congregation of angels meeting directly with God, with Satan among them. The term used to describe them is “bene Elohim”, the sons of God, just as it is used in Genesis, and later in Job. The only contradiction with Hebrews is an apparent one. The word bene, while it can mean sons, is used here in the non-literal sense:

“F. sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels]”

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H1121&t=KJV

Just as when the Antichrist is called a “son of perdition”, you wouldn’t assume that there is a being called “perdition” that literally had a son, there is no reason to read this term literally either.

““When” can refer to time attendant before, during or after. The “morning stars” don’t have be angles, but could be lights in the firmament personified. And Adam and Eve, when they walked with God, and their believing offspring, even after the fall, all surely “shouted for joy.” (Job is post flood, probably a contemporary of Abraham, which puts his time frame approximately 2000 years after creation.)”

This interpretation ignores the context of the verse, both the earlier usages of of “sons of God” in Job 1 and Job 2, and also the immediately preceding verses, which place the time before the creation of man. Adam and Eve, or any man did not exist when God laid the foundation of the world, and therefore they could not be the “sons of God” in this verse. Morning star is also a term used to refer to angels symbolically in Isaiah 14:12. Stars are common symbols for angels, such as when the dragon draws down one third of the “stars” from heaven in Rev. 12:4.


122 posted on 12/08/2013 10:07:09 AM PST by Boogieman
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