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To: donmeaker; redleghunter; GarySpFc
OK. The Bible is God's word to us, telling us about Himself and His dealings with mankind and our dealings with Him.

God, being God, is perfectly good. As an omnipotent, omnipresent entity, He cannot be otherwise. If He was, He would be all evil, which, in not being able to tolerate any competition, would annihilate anything that wasn't Himself. We wouldn't be here. Nothing would be here.

Now, there are standards for good and evil that we all work by. You have demonstrated that yourself by the way your hackles were raised when you thought someone was calling you a liar. You have shown that you think lying is bad.

Now, God, of necessity, being perfectly good, cannot lie.

Therefore, in His word, by which we ALL have our concept of God come from, even you yourself even if indirectly, tells us something, then it's true.

Granted, you are going to continue to argue that Scripture if manufactured, just as Jesus was manufactured to fulfill the requirements of being the Messiah, but really, have you ever read the Bible? Is that the work of a deluded raving individual?

Is such literary style, grammatical context, written by so many people over so many thousands of years, the product of deranged, manipulative people who were out to control people? And for what purpose? What would they have had to gain by gaining adherents to their religion? Once they're dead, they have nothing to gain from it.

And even at this point in time, neither do I or any of the other FReepers here who have been trying to tell you the truth. I will not get any money from you believing, you will not join my *cause*, my *church*, my religion, or anything else in which I will benefit from your faith.

If I had the cure for cancer and really believed that it worked, I would be remiss for not sharing it. Your blood would be on my hands for not giving you the opportunity to avail yourself of it. I have no doubt you would consider it unconscionable and reprehensible for me to not doing so.

Likewise, I believe that in the person of Jesus Christ, I have the cure for the infection of sin that condemns mankind with the ultimate end being eternal separation from God, in hell. I would be remiss for not sharing it, indeed I am obligated to share it, not only by command, but by obligation and gratefulness to the one who saved ME, someone who at one time also denied His existence and actually believed that it was the *Chariots of the Gods* kind of stuff, records of ET visits to earth.

Now, you can choose to believe or not believe. That is your option, given to you by God himself. He is not going to force salvation down your throat, but He can appeal to you to do it for your own good, and He does that through those who HAVE accepted that gift of life He's given us. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Him, making His appeal to you and others like you for Him.

Do I know you or have an reason to care a whit about what happens to you? No. I have nothing to gain by your believing. It affects me not in the least to the point of (theoretically) being able to say that I don't care if you do or not, but that would not be true. I DO care where people end up for eternity, including you.

So there you have it.

Life and forgiveness of sins is being offered to you through Jesus Christ, free for the asking, no strings attached, by one who is His ambassador.

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

The ball is in your court now.

908 posted on 12/16/2013 6:14:22 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

I don’t think they were deranged. I think they were well meaning pious frauds, seeking to get people to believe for the good of their soul.

Paul in his early letters leads with a crucified christ. Early versions of Mark are absent the resurrected Christ.

Looking carfully at the signs of the messiah referenced in Matthew shows the prophecies in the old testament that are cited mostly don’t prophecy the messiah.

Mark didn’t think enough of the birth narratives to admit them. The author(s) of Luke didn’t know enough to get the dates right.

I have gone on and on. In short, I am not convinced. YMMV.


909 posted on 12/16/2013 9:52:10 AM PST by donmeaker
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To: metmom

Do you have a mouse in your pocket?


910 posted on 12/16/2013 9:52:52 AM PST by donmeaker
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