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To: BrandtMichaels

“Obviously just another one who quotes but doesn’t read.”

Is it really that obvious? I thought I read something about “He who believes and is baptized will be saved. He who disbelieves will be condemned.”

Are people who disbelieve condemned or not? Does the reason for their disbelief matter? What if they disbelieve because they never heard? Are some disbelievers “in Christ”? Will some people be saved outside Christ?

I have read the Bible a few times (I have a degree in Biblical Studies from a conservative Christian university), but I have never read that someone who never heard of Jesus will be saved by their ignorance. If that were true, ignorance would save more people than belief. Given that the majority who hear the gospel will reject it (remember the parable of the sower and seed), it would be criminal to evangelize. The act of evangelism will condemn most people to hell who would otherwise be saved in their ignorance.
In other words, telling people about Jesus who are otherwise ignorant of him, will condemn the majority of them to everlasting torture. Right?


85 posted on 12/04/2013 7:05:39 PM PST by Lucas McCain
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To: Lucas McCain

It’s what you learn after you know-it-all that counts.

Not everyone will receive the same punishments but I trust God to judge rather than those who so heavily doubt their faith that you wonder - did they ever have it to begin with?

Be careful of your doubts that you don’t begin to judge God yourself - we are all puny sin-filled people in His Sight.


87 posted on 12/04/2013 7:11:58 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Lucas McCain

You do realize don’t you that you said a bunch of things in your post #85 that I didn’t say and in the process created yourself a strawman argument. You do realize, don’t you that this is a major tactic of the progressive leftist democrat socialist movement - don’t you?

Well I realized it anyways...


90 posted on 12/04/2013 7:19:05 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Lucas McCain
In other words, telling people about Jesus who are otherwise ignorant of him, will condemn the majority of them to everlasting torture. Right?

Oh no!

The majority will REALIZE their fate and accept His offer of Salvation!

Only those who think Jesus was lying (or those who wrote about Him) would then be in line for some brimstone sniffing days.


"I'll rely on something else to save me (if it's REALLY needed)" does NOT seem like a viable stragedy to me.

209 posted on 12/05/2013 6:28:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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