Posted on 12/04/2013 3:17:41 PM PST by servo1969
Non-religion is based on faith as well, because in order to not be based on faith, one would have to be immortal, omnipresent, and omnipotent, to know everything there was for all time and eternity everywhere.
Since no human can do that, some things, indeed MOST things, must be taken on faith.
God provided a way for anyone, anywhere, any time, to avoid having to pay the penalty for any wrongdoing that he committed. <> It's a gift. All free for the taking by anyone just for the asking. What more could a person want? That God force it down his throat against his will?
And just who's fault is it if man does not avail himself of that option?
And the rules by which it expands can change as scales change, just as quantum mechanics is different from macro mechanics, making any ‘proof’ that posits similar rules at differnt scales rather irrelevant.
So now the laws of physics CAN change?
And creationists are regularly castigated for even alluding to or suggesting that....
What's your proof?
If Jesus “wrote His own rules” we have a serious problem. The rules had been set before the beginning of the world and the Old Testament outlined it all. Jesus followed the prophecy to the letter.
The laws of physics definitely do change!
I can prove from data that I have collected and stored with high precision GPS receivers over the last 24 years that the velocity of light used to compute the GPS ephemeris has changed several times during that period. Light is slowing down.
An analogy might be found in the destructive eternally(?) crushing black hole as it effects matter. Might Hell, the place of the damned, be something like a black hole for spirits? The Scriptures give some very interesting clues, like the rich man in torment seeing Abraham being comforted. It would not be so comforting to Abraham if he could see the rich man in torment ... if you were inside a black hole event horizon, you could see photons coming in but someone outside of the event Horizon could not see inside the black hole because no photons would be escaping.
I'm SURE he does.
There's no excuse for an adult to treat someone else with that kind of disrespect.
Sorry, the laws have not changed, it is our comprehension of their particulars which must change.
>> “Jesus did not come to create any religion, much less a new one.” <<
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Absolutely correct!
“The Way,” as his apostles called it, was the same worship that had been in operation since Adam sinned, with one clear difference: He provided the perfect, once and for all, Blood Sacrifice with his own blood, as he presided as Cohen HaGadol. When he pronounced the traditional words: “It is finished” on the cross, the price was paid for all.
You can be as sorry as you wish, but key ‘constants’ have been found not to be constant, and no rate of change has been established; it appears to be itself a variable.
By what criteria does God fail?
Who establishes it? Who sits on judgment of it?
And who makes the determination that miracles occurred in the past, that they will occur in the future but they aren't occurring now?
Do you have evidence that they aren't occurring now? Do you have evidence they happened in the past? What caused them to cease? What will cause them to restart?
And yet, the God deniers claim it doesn’t.
I was pointing out the irony.
When addressing the question of Jesus’ identity, there are only four available options. Anyone who has ever read C.S. Lewis or Josh McDowell knows that Jesus was either: 1) A legend, 2) a lunatic, 3) a liar, or 4) the Lord.
***When CS Lewis wrote the trilemma, most people understood that by saying Jesus was Lord, they were saying “Jesus is God”. That is not the case today. The word “lord” has almost completely lost its meaning in american society today.
Jesus was put to death for claiming equality with God. His friends said it, indifferent sources said it, even His enemies said it. There was no contemporary source which contradicted this claim to deity.
And, yes, I need to insert here that just because He made the claim it doesn’t prove that He was God. People who are confronted with the claim to deity seem to have to go through this step as they process the information, even though it is incredibly obvious.
Either He was God, or He wasn’t.
The speed of light is not a law of physics, it is a constant (or treated as one). It doesn’t actually contradict the laws of physics to have a changing speed of light. As long as there is a set speed as an upper boundary at any particular time, the laws work fine. Some of your results may change plugging in a different constant into the formulas, but the formulas will still work fine.
>> “And yet, the God deniers claim it doesn’t.” <<
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Most of them haven’t the slightest idea what they’re talking about. The ones that do are not talking.
>> “ It doesn’t actually contradict the laws of physics to have a changing speed of light.” <<
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Thanks for the humor Mr. science groupie!
It contradicts the nonsense that the ‘naturalist’ reality deniers live by. That is the point.
I once had a Sunday School teacher display is erudition by stating that the NT Greek word for Spirit was “Pneuma”.
Of course I immediately asked if he drove to church on spirit filled (aka pneumatic) tires.
He didn’t think that was helpful.
So do you have a different value for Pi this week?
I do apologize.
I was inaccurate.
I should have said the hypothesis of G-d fails.
The value used by Solomon (3-5/12) works well enough for most!
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