Posted on 11/22/2013 8:54:29 PM PST by ReformationFan
Good cartoon(see link). The JFK of 1960-1963 wouldn't even be able to win the democratic party nomination for dog catcher with the communists who run it today.
Jack was a RAT. If he were alive today, he’d be Bill Clinton. Look at his brothers.
“Issues like abortion and gay rights weren’t even considered topics of discussion in the early 60s.
It would be outlandish for a politician, even the kookiest leftwinger to make any kind of speech or stand.
But if pressed, JFK at the time would certainly be against both concepts.”
Our society was much saner on those two issues during the early 1960s. Which by today’s left wing definitions makes EVERY major political figure in the 1960-1963 time period a social conservative/”intolerant right winger” in the eyes of the rabid psycholeft.
‘Had he lived, though, I would wager that he would have “evolved” into a social liberal, much like Ted Kennedy did.’
That’s probably true but since he died(as Michael Savage puts it) before we as a nation got culturally sick, we’ll never completely know for sure.
Ted Kennedy on abortion as late as 1971-
“While the deep concern of a woman bearing an unwanted child merits consideration and sympathy, it is my personal feeling that the legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized—the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grow old.
“On the question of the individual’s freedom of choice there are easily available birth control methods and information which women may employ to prevent or postpone pregnancy. But once life has begun, no matter at what stage of growth, it is my belief that termination should not be decided merely by desire.
“When history looks back to this era it should recognize this generation as one which cared about human beings enough to halt the practice of war, to provide a decent living for every family, and to fulfill its responsibility to its children from the very moment of conception.”
It is clear that you don’t know much about JFK, and have simply been trained to worship him, that is why you just make up things about him, I’m surprised that you don’t think that he also created the ‘green berets’.
JFK didn’t start NASA, President Eisenhower did.
Kennedy didn’t “stave off Communism”, he was the Jimmy Carter of his time, except far worse. JFK was an almost America destroying incompetent when dealing with the Communists, he even wanted the moon landing to be a Soviet/American effort, his death ended that ridiculous fantasy.
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I had heard "rumors" that ol' Ted was pro-life at one time.
Glad to see the references.
And it makes me hate him even MORE. That he was such a weasel that he'd sell his soul out for power and adoration only a few years after.
Much like Jesse Jackson who as recently as the late 70s called abortion a 'holocaust' against black babies.
Sold his soul.
VERY few democrats have not sold their souls.
Even Bob Casey seems to have done so.
JFK wanted a joint moon mission? So the "We" in "We choose to go the moon" was USA and USSR? I have never heard anyone else every claim this. Ever.
Yet another time you have "corrected" my ignorance with simply and assertion by you. Again, I will ask for you to cite this assertion but expect that to remain unanswered like the others.
No, JFK didn't end Communism, but he didn't exactly cooperate with them either, now did he?
You just lied, I never make assertions of fact that I can't back up, but you do obviously lie. No wonder you are promoting the lefty hero.
I would like to see your examples of any facts that I haven't been able to post sources for.
""Kennedy suggests joint space expedition, Sept. 20, 1963""
"On this day in 1963, in a speech before the United Nations General Assembly, President John F. Kennedy offered to mount a joint manned lunar program with the Soviet Union. Kennedy’s proposal that the two rival superpowers cooperate on a mission to mount an expedition to the moon caught both the Soviet leadership and many Americans off guard."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81404.html
[Kennedy} Understood and advocated permanent corporate and personal income tax cuts to spur growth in the economy. He was in Dallas to speak at Market Hall on this very subject. His tax cut was passed in his memory, and brought on a economic boom in this country.
You said:
He was in Dallas that day to shore up support in the south for his re-election where one would naturally be pro-business, pro-economy - hardly surprising. Even Obama has been know to say one thing, do another.
You claim Kennedy was not pro-business and dismiss my point insinuating that he did not follow thru with the tax cuts - which is patently false. And there is no cite to back up your assertion here. There is an actual tax cut law on the books that refutes it.
The tax cuts I speak of were already in place since Kennedy never made it the Market Hall that day. Kennedy's pro-business tax cuts brought one of the largest periods of economic growth in this century.
Should I now call you a liar as you did me? What drives your deep seated need to be negative 100% on Kennedy? It must be deep in you to cause such and allergic attack on others.
If somebody believes something as a matter of course because everybody believes it and it's not really an issue, you may not be able to predict what he'd think or do once it becomes a controversial political issue.
A lot of people changed their views over time about abortion, and to me at least, it's not clear that Kennedy would have resisted the drift of his family, state, and party into the pro-abortion camp.
Also, if Kennedy was wonderfully low tax and pro-growth, what does that make Barry Goldwater and the other Republicans who opposed tax cuts without spending cuts? Isn't all the "JFK Conservative" hoopla slighting their principled stand?
I don’t even know what you are talking about, I didn’t say that JFK wasn’t pro-business, I haven’t gotten into that analysis and taken a firm position, and I didn’t say that he didn’t do any tax cuts.
You need to find an example of me being unable to support any factual claims that I have made, for instance the one you just lied about, and then ignored, that JFK called for a joint moon mission with the Soviet Union.
Something that you admit you had never heard of, “ever”.
I am not the huge Kennedy fan I am being made out to be. I do believe he did do a few things that were good actions by a President - something I cannot say that I have seen Obama do to this point. He certainly had more pride in this country.
The whole point I was apparently unsuccessful in making was contrasting the difference in a Democrat who is still highly regarded in their party with what we are dealing with now.
But Kennedy Derangement Syndrome seems as powerful as Bush Derangement Syndrome judging by the attacks I am getting 50 years on...
And I am not the enemy here. I have accepted your points. I did not lie. I had never heard anyone claim JFK proposed a joint moon mission. Did I say anything after you provided a reference challenging it?
You seem to just be in attack mode because it's Kennedy.
First, that isn’t what I am saying in that description, and that would have been an opinion anyway, not a fact like me posting that JFK had called for a joint moon mission with the Soviet Union.
America did not survive his election, one in which many historians believe that he stole.
JFK is not what you want to convince people he was, he was a vile, depraved man, a man that Ronald Reagan described as a Marxist, and JFK was out to replace the American people, with foreigners that the left could count on.
It's a "glass half-empty glass half-full" thing. If you want to praise Kennedy in comparison to later Democrat leaders, that's one thing.
But a lot of people are out to puncture the "JFK conservative" bubble. They are comparing him not to other Democrats we've known since, but to more reliable conservatives.
The problem with Kennedy is that his sleazy personal life makes it hard to think of him as a reliable social conservative.
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