Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?

The Globe and Mail ^ | Nov. 02 2013 | JOHN DOYLE

[rickmichaels]

And so it begins – the plentiful coverage of the 50th anniversary of the assassination of U.S. president John F. Kennedy. The date itself is weeks away and there will be countless commemorative programs, specials and copious punditry on TV.

JFK: The Smoking Gun (Sunday, Discovery, 8 p.m.) is one of the most controversial of the bunch. Made for the tiny U.S. cable channel Reelz, it’s a two-hour docudrama based on the book of the same name by former Australian police detective Colin McLaren. He claims to have spent years on “the forensic cold-case investigation of JFK’s assassination” and says he believes he has found “the smoking gun” that killed the president. His conclusion is not the accepted story.

[Popman]

-——You did not answer me. Did You See The Autopsy Photos ????——

What part of “the film matches the autopsy “ in my post did you not understand?

[laplata]

You didn’t look at the autopsy photos so forget it. The man was killed and that’s the bottom line.

[Popman]

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

I looked at the autopsy photos several years ago and yesterday....

Not sure what your point is in looking at them ?

The head wounds in the photos line up with what happens in the film....

JFK was turning his head to the left and looking down when the shot hit his skull... The bullet came out the side of his head toward the front....

It’s very plain to see ... In the autopsy photos and the film....

[laplata]

Okay.

[BeadCounter]

Post # 102, your lack of knowledge on this over and over again is exposed and all you can come up is name-calling.

Over 10 people saw a Secret Service agent with a fire-arm.

[BeadCounter]

Good try but they are disputed facts. Now we shouldn’t fault each other for not getting the facts but he sure wasn’t leaving the theater, he was caught in the theater.

One witness sees two men talking to Officer Tippit.

“At 1.16 p.m. Tippit approached a man, later identified as Lee Harvey Oswald, walking along East 10th Street. Domingo Benavides, later testified that after a short conversation, Oswald pulled out a hand gun and fired four shots at Tippet. However, another witness, Acquilla Clemons, was sitting on a porch of a house close by, claimed that there were two men involved in the attack on Tippit.”

http://www.giljesus.com/Tippit/scoggins.htm

One witness says Tippit’s killer was not Oswald:

http://www.giljesus.com/Tippit/smith_burt.htm

Facts, witnesses are rather vast here. You can find about anything.

[BeadCounter]

Well, enjoy your 20% or however many it is who believes in the lone-gunman theory and good for your name-calling for the 80+% of the American public who for 50 years have questioned the Warren Commission Report.

[BeadCounter]

And where do forensics say that shot came from?? Grassy Knoll? Not disagreeing with you but computer models have not been able to recreate that, there’s not real solid evidence where this other shot came from.

[BeadCounter]

And got his Russian wife into the country with no red-tape.

[thestob]

you think picture in #102 was taken in Dealey Plaza? and you’re questioning my knowledge? are you serious?

I want the name of the witness that saw a secret service agent fire his weapon into the president’s limo ...find one witness out of the hundreds in the plaza that saw that happen? show me one photo of a secret service agent waving around an AR-15 in Dealey Plaza, one picture, one piece of film, anything....

but, go on and believe the most laughable JFK theory in the history of laughable JFK theories

[laplata]

Thanks for the information.

[BeadCounter]

Why not shoot on Houston Street? What's odd is that JFK and the motorcade came directly towards the "sniper's nest" Texas Schoolbook Depository 6th floor window in the Motorcade on Houston Street but allegedly, Oswald doesn't take that comparatively easy shot but shoots once the car has turned onto Elm and is going away from him. That's a bit odd and that situation can not be circumvented. Open-air Car coming up Houston as one can see but no, below would have been Oswald's view onto Elm where JFK is assassinated, Oswald would have decided to shoot from the sixth floor and indeed through some trees that are there as well with the car going away. Could be but is not the straightforward best commonsense shot. In fact, this map ( http://reocities.com/Area51/Zone/3239 /oriondea.gif ) by a conspiracist still shows where the bullets hit is actually a fair distance away and would have to be seeing how the trees would have given some cover to the motorcade for a few seconds. I don't buy the conspiracy, map is still useful.

[BeadCounter]

Are you denying Hickey had his rifle out in Dealey Plaza? My mistake but never the less the Warren Commission Report nonetheless confirms that he did, see 167:

“Special Agent Ready, on the right front running board of the Presidential follow-up car, heard noises that sounded like firecrackers and ran toward the President’s limousine. But he was immediately called back by Special Agent Emory P. Roberts, in charge of the follow-up car, who did not believe that he could reach, the President’s car at the speed it was then traveling.167 Special Agent George W. Hickey, Jr., in the rear seat of the Presidential follow-up car, picked up and cocked an automatic rifle as he heard the last shot. At this point the cars were speeding through the underpass and had left the scene of the shooting, but Hickey kept the automatic weapon ready as the car raced to the hospital.”

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-2.html

So an error in referring to post # 102 but nonetheless in the Warren Commission Report it’s shown he did have his rifle out and now, it is whether we take what the Report said.

I already expressed skepticism as to “Mortal Error”, it would seem to be difficult for that random shot to happen and hit Kennedy but the theory is about as feasible as any.

[thestob]

I know Hickey got the rifle out. According to Hickey, he grabbed for the rifle on the floor of the limo after the last “report” and “cocked and loaded it”

What I absolutely do not believe is the fact a secret service agent pulling an AR-15 out translates into an accidental shot going off and said shot miraculously hits the president perfectly in the back of the head.

I don’t believe that every secret service agent immediately went into full cover up mode by the time they got to Parkland and never uttered a word about it for 50 years.

I don’t believe Ken O’Donnell and Dave Powers were part of a massive coverup protecting a careless secret service agent who fired an AR=15 inches above their heads and killed their best friend.

I don’t believe that a shot cracks off in a limousine packed full of secret service men and presidential advisors and nobody bails off the side rails of the car or ducks for cover.

I don’t believe that Charles Brehm who was literally 10-15 feet away and was a wounded combat veteran would miss seeing and hearing an AR-15 going off that close to him.

I don’t believe that Bill and Gayle Newman who saw the presidents head fly off a few feet from their eyes would say the shots came from behind them if a secret service agent fired a gun in front of them directly in their line of sight.

Not one person in 50 years says they saw Hickey fire that gun into the presidential limo, not one.

[Pelham]

Great. So you have Oswald being incorrectly accused of two murders on the same day.

The skinny little communist sure drew a lot of adverse attention, him being innocent and all.

[BeadCounter]

This is the USA, we generally have trials to establish guilt, not like some Communist Nation.

[Pelham]

“This is the USA, we generally have trials to establish guilt, not like some Communist Nation.”

We don’t hold trials for dead men, even dead guilty ones like Oswald. And there would have been two murder trials for Oswald had Jack Ruby not inserted himself into the process.

[mfish13]

Yes, autopsy photos have been all over the place for a long time. What do they show you?

[laplata]

What do they show you?

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Read my posts for the answer. End of discussion. Have a good day.

[mfish13]

Head shot from the front? Where do you see that?