Posted on 10/26/2013 7:01:38 AM PDT by Davy Buck
Born as a symbol of rebellion, the Confederate battle flag retains much of that symbolism to this very day. What is even more intriguing is the fact that the very commissioning of the original Confederate battle flag was itself, an act of rebellion. This little-known part of the flag’s story is told in a fascinating new documentary written and produced by historian Kent Masterson Brown.
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That’s probably the most extreme exaggeration of the “Linkum made us do it” pretense of an excuse for misbehavior I’ve ever seen.
Apparently deluded foolishness is in the eye of the beholder.
When your argument loses, insult your opponent.
How Alinsky of you!
Go ahead and read post #102 again.
You offer up no wisdom or informed opinion, just insults.
And I am sure you are quite proud of yourself for what you see as intelligent mockery.
But instead you are boring.
VERT accurate and well put.
Slavery was legal in the “Union” before, during and after the civil war.
The EP did not free a single slave under Union control.
Slavery was certainly one of the big issues, but economics, distribution of political control, and States rights were the themes under which slavery was the detail.
The war was after secession. The Fedgov tolerated slavery, but not secession.
Do you have a source for your opinion about bombardment?
What is your opinion of this: “The aggressor in war is not the first who uses force, but the first who renders force necessary.” (Hallam)
Then you would agree that the first act of aggression “denotes the start of war”.
Is that correct?
Look out X Fretensis - it’s a trap! LOL
True (although I removed the parenthesis because it was nonsensical).
The EP did not free a single slave under Union control.
It wasn't meant to.
Slavery was certainly one of the big issues, but economics, distribution of political control, and States rights were the themes under which slavery was the detail.
Slavery was the raison d'être for the war between the states. Without which not. It was the wedge that the south drove between herself and her countrymen. It featured preeminently in EVERY decision that the south made.
The war was after secession. The Fedgov tolerated slavery, but not secession.
More like the union tolerated slavery, but not insurrection.
Actually NO slavery was not legal in the Union prior to the civil war.
IIRC nearly all the states including all the original 13 had statutes prohibiting slavery.
The newer states came into the Union as Free states, for instance Ohio Minn Indiana Wisc Oregon iowa Calif and Ill were all admitted as slave free states as was Kansas
can you name one of the ‘ Union’ states whose laws allowed slavery in 1961 or after?
I am not mixing two events. It is called an analogy. I do not need a “source” for an opinion, It is just that, an opinion. As far as Hallam’s quote. What aggressive act did Lincoln initiate that required the firing on Fort Sumter.
The provisional Confederate forces in and around Charleston had already seized the Federal facilities at Ft. Johnson, Castle Pickney, Ft. Moultrie and the arsenal. They had also fired on an unarmed ship. Lincoln informed the Charleston officials that Sumter would be resupplied with provisions and fuel, but no ammunition, armaments or additional man power would be provided to the garrison.
The Confederate response was that Jefferson Davis ordered Beauregard to reduce the Fort before the resupply could occur. This action was ratified by the Confederate cabinet on April 9th. Anderson, the commander at Sumter, had already sent a letter to Beauregard informing him that he would evacuate the fort by noon of April 15th. Under these circumstance, why was force necessary? Lincoln was not strengthening the garrison, and Anderson was going to leave the fort by the 15th.
Tennessee (assuming you meant after 1861 not 1961)
yes thank you I meant 1861 . perhaps I should have said 1861 after the war broke out
or to be clearer when did Tenn leave the Union?
so I will ask again, which Union state had not legally allowed slavery during the civil war
One state that did leave the union does not exactly a trend make
Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia
which of those prohibited slavery during the Civil War?
How many ‘ Union “ States legally allowed slavery all through and even after the civil war?
Hint. the ONLY “Union state to continue to allow slavery all through the Civil war is the home state of a piece of chit VP.
I think even you would agree saying the Union did not allow slavery during the Civil War in their own states is a pretty good categoric statement.
Delaware barely counts today and counted even less in 1861/ also note that in 1946 91.7 % of black people living in Delaware were free
Not sure what kind of point you are trying to make but this is reality
I agree with your larger historical perspective on the things, and the futility of criticizing long-dead people for a colonial economic system that they inherited. But their actions in its defense is something of a different matter. There's economic self-interest, and then there's the violation of the "faith solemnly pledged," in the words of James Madison. That and the whole firing on Sumter thing.
Maryland, West Virginia, Kentucky, Delaware, Missouri
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_Map_1864_including_Civil_War_Divisions.png
Enough?
“The Kentucky legislature considered a conditional ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment that would have denied blacks constitutional rights and required them to leave the state within ten years of freedom. Instead, however, it rejected the Amendment.[3] Slavery legally ended on December 18, 1865, when the Amendment went into effect. At that moment, 65,000 Kentuckians became legally emancipated.[4]” - Source Wikipedia
I would say that everyone who goes to war has a reason so compelling that they believe they have no other choice.
Wasn’t Kentucky admitted to the CSA?
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