Posted on 10/16/2013 3:43:53 PM PDT by Kevmo
MFMP Hypothesis: Celani Wire Splits Hydrogen October 15, 2013 • 31 Comments
There’s an interesting document published on the Martin Fleischman Memorial Project’s quantumheat.org site in which they propose experimental analysis the Celani wire which is made of a nickel-copper alloy called constantan. They say that some observers of their work are proposing that the excess heat they are measuring in their experiments is caused by the ‘Langmuir effect’ — a phenomenon discovered by Irving Langmuir in the 1920s where a tungsten filament at high temperatures causes hydrogen to split from a molecular state to a ‘monatomic‘ state, and then recombine, releasing energy in the process.
They note that Sergio Focardi said that “said that mono-atomic hydrogen was critical to LENR”, which raises the question of whether there is any connection between the Langmuir effect and LENR. The temperatures that the MFMP have been working at are apparently much lower than those required for the Langmuir effect to take place.
They write:
We are going to test the hypothesis that Celanis’ nano Copper-Nickel wire ‘catalytically’ splits molecular Hydrogen into monatomic Hydrogen.
This is important for a few reasons. First, there shouldn’t be much to any solitary Hydrogen at these temperatures according to what Langmuir reported. Second, the Langmuir effect has been proposed as an explanation for why Celanimaybe seeing higher temperatures post calibration. And, third, the ability to load the metal lattice with monatomic hydrogen is speculated by some to be an important piece for making LENR happen.
The full document which outlines the proposed experimental procedure can be read here. In keeping with their Open Science approach, the MFMP team is looking for guidance from the public at large.
another interesting offshoot from LENR research...
I would buy this idea faster than the fusion idea.
If they are seeing anything— this is a simpler explanation of what they are seeing—.
But we’ll see.
“The MFMP team is looking for guidance from the public at large.”
OK.....here’s my guidance since they asked for it.
Try turning the plug over.
Where’s my Nobel prize?
Here’s some more guidance.
Never stick a metal key into an electrical outlet.
Mom tried to stop me from doing that. Dad said, “No! Let the little s**t try it. He won’t do it again.” Thus was born my Dad’s nickname for me...”Sparky”.
I’d be happy with that result. A chemical reaction that generates 50,000X more energy density than gasoline. No need for NRC involvement, basically a clean energy resource.
Simpler is definitely better. Occham’s Razor.
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Just get Obama to try it, he’ll work around the law of conservation of energy.
I would think that in order for CF to happen, the substrate would HAVE to split at least "some" of the hydrogen molecules into free hydrogen atoms, with the electrons from the two hydrogen atoms entering the "electron cloud" of the crystalline matrix. I know palladium works that way, and I suspect that nickel also does. And probably any other metal that forms hydrides.
According to many researchers, boosting the number of free hydrogen atoms increases the possibility of initiating the "nuclear active environment" that is necessary for CF/LENR.
Defkalion does it with a high frequency low current arc (introduced by their infamous "spark plugs").
So this discussion concerns looking at the same general LENR process from another angle or viewpoint? Interesting.
Can you make a claim like that when you include the system necessary to actually use energy from each? Or is it just another misleading number?
We use gasoline for transportation fuel. Are their proposals and designs that would use this for vehicle transportation?
Which is exactly what is needed. I don't think the idea is particularly new, but Celani's "nuclear active environment" is a different metallic composition from most anyone elses.
I wonder how other intermetallic substrates could work. I'd be particularly interested in the iron-titanium system (which is one of the materials that sucks up huge amounts of hydrogen.....it was/is a prime candidate for hydrogen storage when the "hydrogen economy" notion was getting more attention.
Yes, and no. We're basically talking about generating heat, so we're talking a simple steam engine (or similar) to convert the heat to motion. The CF cell itself is simple in the extreme.
Although there is at least one apparently successful experiment to extract electricity directly from the LENR process, bypassing heat generation entirely.
"We use gasoline for transportation fuel. Are their proposals and designs that would use this for vehicle transportation?"
Surprisingly enough, yes. But IMO, it is "way" too early.
Again, interesting. It would seem to make sense to use, if possible, materials that may naturally facilitate the necessary element transfer.
You should perhaps discuss and propose your ideas to the researchers.
Reminds of “The Alchemy of Air.” Great book if you haven’t read.
Can you make a claim like that when you include the system necessary to actually use energy from each?
***Yes I can. But unfortunately it’s a typo of mine, the actual article said 10,000X more energy density.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3023592/posts?page=169
Are their proposals and designs that would use this for vehicle transportation?
***Of course there are.
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