MFMP Hypothesis: Celani Wire Splits Hydrogen

ECat World ^ | October 15, 2013 | admin

[Kevmo]

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[thackney]

Converting H² to 2H and back again is a chemical, not a nuclear reation.

[bigbob]

another interesting offshoot from LENR research...

[ckilmer]

I would buy this idea faster than the fusion idea.

If they are seeing anything— this is a simpler explanation of what they are seeing—.

But we’ll see.

[blueunicorn6]

“The MFMP team is looking for guidance from the public at large.”
OK.....here’s my guidance since they asked for it.
Try turning the plug over.
Where’s my Nobel prize?

[blueunicorn6]

Here’s some more guidance.
Never stick a metal key into an electrical outlet.
Mom tried to stop me from doing that. Dad said, “No! Let the little s**t try it. He won’t do it again.” Thus was born my Dad’s nickname for me...”Sparky”.

[Kevmo]

I’d be happy with that result. A chemical reaction that generates 50,000X more energy density than gasoline. No need for NRC involvement, basically a clean energy resource.

[Kevmo]

Simpler is definitely better. Occham’s Razor.

[Kevmo]

Asked & Answered ————————————————————— www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg85823.html

[Mr. Dough]

Just get Obama to try it, he’ll work around the law of conservation of energy.

[Kevmo]

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg86718.html
Re: [Vo]:MFMP Hypothesis: Celani Wire Splits Hydrogen
Kevin O'Malley Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:41:58 -0700

I suspect this is the key. 42% better absorption into the metal matrix. If it's a surface effect, then why would higher absorption into the bulk create more reliable excess heat events & reactions?

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
> http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/101/12/10.1063/1.467850
> > Direct reaction of gas‐phase atomic hydrogen with chemisorbed hydrogen on
> Ru(001) > > T. A. > Jachimowski
> 1 and W. H.
> Weinberg
> 1 > [image: +] View Affiliations
> J. Chem. Phys. 101, 10997 (1994); http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.467850 >
> > The adsorption of gas‐phase atomic hydrogen on the Ru(001) surface results
> in a saturation coverage of 1.42 hydrogen adatoms per primitive surface
> unit cell, which may be compared with a saturation coverage of one hydrogen
> adatom per primitive surface unit cell in the case of dissociative
> chemisorption of molecular hydrogen. The observed saturation fractional
> coverage of 1.42 results from a steady‐state balance of adsorption of
> gas‐phase atomic hydrogen and reaction of gas‐phase hydrogen with
> chemisorbed hydrogen adatoms, which produces molecular hydrogen that
> desorbs from the surface at a temperature at least 150 K below the
> temperature of recombinative desorption of two hydrogen adatoms. The cross
> section of this direct reaction of hydrogen was found to be remarkably
> large, approximately 40% of the cross section for chemisorption of the
> gas‐phase atomic hydrogen. The reaction was found not to depend on surface
> temperature nor was there an observable kinetic isotope effect.
> © 1994 American Institute of Physics >

[Wonder Warthog]

Methinks the headline is a bit misleading. The hypothesis is not put forth by MFMP, but by CF skeptics. MFMP are testing to confirm or refute the speculation.

I would think that in order for CF to happen, the substrate would HAVE to split at least "some" of the hydrogen molecules into free hydrogen atoms, with the electrons from the two hydrogen atoms entering the "electron cloud" of the crystalline matrix. I know palladium works that way, and I suspect that nickel also does. And probably any other metal that forms hydrides.

According to many researchers, boosting the number of free hydrogen atoms increases the possibility of initiating the "nuclear active environment" that is necessary for CF/LENR.

Defkalion does it with a high frequency low current arc (introduced by their infamous "spark plugs").

[citizen]

So this discussion concerns looking at the same general LENR process from another angle or viewpoint? Interesting.

[thackney]

A chemical reaction that generates 50,000X more energy density than gasoline.

Can you make a claim like that when you include the system necessary to actually use energy from each? Or is it just another misleading number?

We use gasoline for transportation fuel. Are their proposals and designs that would use this for vehicle transportation?

[Wonder Warthog]

"So this discussion concerns looking at the same general LENR process from another angle or viewpoint? Interesting.

Which is exactly what is needed. I don't think the idea is particularly new, but Celani's "nuclear active environment" is a different metallic composition from most anyone elses.

I wonder how other intermetallic substrates could work. I'd be particularly interested in the iron-titanium system (which is one of the materials that sucks up huge amounts of hydrogen.....it was/is a prime candidate for hydrogen storage when the "hydrogen economy" notion was getting more attention.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Can you make a claim like that when you include the system necessary to actually use energy from each? Or is it just another misleading number?"

Yes, and no. We're basically talking about generating heat, so we're talking a simple steam engine (or similar) to convert the heat to motion. The CF cell itself is simple in the extreme.

Although there is at least one apparently successful experiment to extract electricity directly from the LENR process, bypassing heat generation entirely.

"We use gasoline for transportation fuel. Are their proposals and designs that would use this for vehicle transportation?"

Surprisingly enough, yes. But IMO, it is "way" too early.

[citizen]

Again, interesting. It would seem to make sense to use, if possible, materials that may naturally facilitate the necessary element transfer.

You should perhaps discuss and propose your ideas to the researchers.

[Toadman]

Reminds of “The Alchemy of Air.” Great book if you haven’t read.

[Kevmo]

Can you make a claim like that when you include the system necessary to actually use energy from each?
***Yes I can. But unfortunately it’s a typo of mine, the actual article said 10,000X more energy density.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3023592/posts?page=169

Are their proposals and designs that would use this for vehicle transportation?
***Of course there are.