Posted on 09/26/2013 8:16:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
The Nazis attempted to broker a peace offering with Britain—if they were allowed a free path to attack the USSR, a new book has revealed.
Rudolf Hess’s flight to Britain during World War Two to sign a peace deal ordered by Adolf Hitler has long been recorded as a bizarre one-man mission to try and reconcile warring West Europe and the Nazis. …
But historian Peter Padfield has discovered evidence he claims proves that the deputy Führer held a detailed peace treaty.
It proposed that the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe, in exchange for British neutrality over a planned attack on Russia, the Daily Telegraph reported. …
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A little piece of Poland,
A little piece of France,
A little piece of Austria
And Hungary, perchance!
A little slice of Turkey
And all that that entails,
And then a bit of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales!
I thought Graham and McCain wanted to go to war in Syria.
My dad used to say he wanted everything he could see, of course after he got that he could see more.
Well there would have been that sticky issue about allowing the Jews to remain in the US.
Best case scenario, is Hitler taking Moscow, resulting in an overthrow of Stalin and replacement with a new non-Communist government that rallies the Russians to victory.
What are you objecting to here?
A bad situation could suggest the possibility of an even worse one. A frying pan could suggest a fire.
I really don’t know what kind of axe you intend to grind.
Sure. There would have been no hard feelings about Coventry, I’m sure.
Ultimately the Germans had far overreached the capacity of their smaller nation to play in the really big leagues against the US and the ussr. Technological excellence could only get them so far. Even when everyone had been weakened by the Depression.
US armed forces in WWII became legendary. Solzhenitsyn in a different context later bemoaned "the accursed capacity of our (Russian) people for suffering."
Many Russians and Ukrainians originally welcomed the Germans as “Liberators”.
Hitler made a mistake in not treating Russia more like France or Holland. Red Army soldiers would have surrendered in droves knowing that the Germans would treat them decently, it was better than continuing to live under the Stalinist boot.
Now of course, Hitler would have none of it, because he saw the war as a war of elimination. But, Hitler once he won in Russia then could have turned around and did whatever he wanted to the Russians, with the threat eliminated.
Well, our own Declaration of Independence did observe that “mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable”, but although there was no availability of ballistic arms to the general populace of Russia, Solzhenitsyn did observe that Stalin’s “cursed machine would have ground to a halt” if the people had stood up for themselves using whatever was at hand. The left in Russia perfected division and conquest via the doctrine of “abolition of the family”.
Fantastic book, and you beat me to that one. Yeah, Speer spent no less than 20 years in close proximity to Hess and even after all that time didn't quite figure him out. I think his best guess was that Hess was a crazy guy pretending to be a sane guy who was pretending to be a crazy guy. The Brits certainly thought so.
As for this thesis, color me skeptical but not dismissive. If it were me, Hess wouldn't be my first choice for a mission of this delicacy. But Hitler was Hitler, and not always the best judge of his own staff - according to Schirach he thought Ribbentrop was a genius on the order of Bismark, for example - so I wouldn't rule it out.
Knowing that he was nonetheless in substantial hot water, Dictator Stalin ordered his troops to march carrying aloft icons of Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ. The soviets managed to come out of it by the skin of their teeth. If the USA, under FDR, been inclined to adopt a policy of "Let's you and him fight!" then the nazis MIGHT have prevailed or the soviets might have prevailed. A rational US regime, with troops tanned, rested and ready, would have mopped the floor with the victor. Red China would not have happened. Ho Chi Minh might well have ended his days in a prison where he belonged and the Korean War and likely the Vietnam War would also have been unnecessary.
Without the liberal Lincoln, about 660,000 young American men need not have died to satisfy his political agenda. Without the liberal Woodrow Wilson, Kaiser Willie would have been defeated by Europeans and many young American men would have lived. Also, the world wide mega-epidemic of the Spanish Influenza originated not in Spain but in Iowa and was spread by Iowa troops to the world via WWI troop deployments.
It would have been likely necessary for American troops to fight and die at the END of WWII in Europe in any event but with far fewer casualties. Isoroku Yamamoto designed the attack on Pearl Harbor on orders of Tojo but Yamamoto made clear in advance that he thought the attack was a blunder. His hand would have been strengthened if the liberals of those days could not hold their water and appeared absolutely intent on fighting.
Leibenstrum—breathing room. Didn’t they want to expand to the east?
Preposterous malarkey!!!
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