[teeman8r]

i believe it has always been there, man has just now realized it...

the arrogance of man, to the reality of the Creator.

[Maceman]

i believe it has always been there, man has just now realized it...

Well yes, that pretty much is the definition of discovery, as opposed to invention.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

“In a sense, we would see that change arises from the structure of the object,” he said. “But it’s not from the object changing. The object is basically timeless.”

Unmoved mover anyone?