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Guns and Schizophrenia
PJ Media ^ | 9/18/2013 | Roger L. Simon

Posted on 09/18/2013 8:32:16 AM PDT by rktman

No one is more boring and predictable than Senator Dianne Feinstein immediately calling for the banning of assault weapons after the carnage at the Washington Navy Yard. That an AR-15 wasn’t even involved in the mass killing is also predictable. Liberalism, as exemplified by Ms. Feinstein, is just a fuddy-duddy ideology in general, so old-fashioned you want to bang your forehead on the table.

But…

…no one should want paranoid schizophrenics to have arms… not even a number two pencil because, if their voices tell them to do it, they will put out your eye with it.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; caution; democrats; feinstein; guncontrol; liberalism; nutcases; secondamendment
LOTS of caveats here. Who will be the decider as to who's a nut case and who isn't. Failure of Department of Nut Cases to forward names of those deemed to be nutbags to the "central data base". Privacy issues. Like nobody wants others to know they've been classified as nutbags. At what cost? Another Navy Yard type incident? What about those that are just evil pos asshats? No simple solutions. But had someone that was not uniformed security and not an obvious target been armed, maybe they could have stopped this ardent gamer from taking out so many folks. Not that violent video game were remotely to blame. Just numb to death and violence.
1 posted on 09/18/2013 8:32:16 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman
No one is more boring and predictable than Senator Dianne Feinstein immediately calling for the banning of assault weapons

Which is laughable, given that the murderer in question took Shotgun Joe's advice when shopping for his hardware.

2 posted on 09/18/2013 8:39:33 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: rktman

While in the world socialist Democrats are creating, nothing brings comfort like a warm gun and lots of ammo. Ditzy Dianne needs to run along, and play with her vibrator.


3 posted on 09/18/2013 8:41:33 AM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

Yewwwww! No breakfast for me. Thanks a lot. LOL! Odd that the majority of the perps have been obie fans or at least libs.


4 posted on 09/18/2013 8:43:46 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman

My solution is to let EVERYONE who asks for a weapon have one. Eventually, the problem of criminally insane people with guns will sort itself out.


5 posted on 09/18/2013 8:49:28 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (My sweet talk is also savory and creamy.)
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To: rktman

The real question is why is everyone at a military base unarmed?

The second question is that since there are about 2.2 million people in the US with this diagnosis (http://www.schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm) it is clear that the overwhelming majority of these cases do NOT commit these multiple homicides, so no action is really necessary.

Barring the above - if you’re a danger to yourself or others, you should be locked up. When locked up, you are unarmed. You should not be let out until you are NOT a danger to yourself or others, therefore, you could have a weapon.

So no legislation barring schizos from having weapons is needed.

Even if implemented, nothing stops them from getting knives from doing the same, like happens in china (google it).


6 posted on 09/18/2013 8:50:12 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

You really want king hussein supporters to have weapons? LOL!


7 posted on 09/18/2013 8:51:04 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3067692/posts

CNN: Washington FBI Confirms no AR-15 was used in Navy Yard Attack

Twitter ^ | Sept 17th, 2013 | Pamela Brown

Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:07:53 AM by Perdogg

FBI Washington field office just confirmed gunman was NOT armed with AR15. Spokesperson says 1 shotgun and 2 pistols recovered— Pamela Brown (@PamelaBrownCNN) September 17, 2013


8 posted on 09/18/2013 8:52:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: fruser1

Or driving in to a crowd of folks somewhere with an assault SUV.


9 posted on 09/18/2013 8:52:26 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States .
In 1963 a radical left wing communist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.
In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.
In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan.
In 1984 James Huberty a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
In 1986 Patrick Sherril a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.
In 1990 James Pough a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.
In 1991 George Hennard a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 23 people in a Lubys cafeteria.
In 1995 James Daniel Simpson a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
In 1999 Larry Asbrook a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.
In 2003 Douglas Williams a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech .
In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes went into a Colorado movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.
On 9/16/2013, another mentally ill liberal, Aaron Alexis, killed 12 innocents at the Navy Yard in Washington DC.

One could go on, but you get the point, even if the media does not.

Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats having guns.

No NRA members, No Tea Party members, or No Republican conservatives are/were involved.

SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.


10 posted on 09/18/2013 8:52:53 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: fruser1
The real question is why is everyone at a military base unarmed?

That was a decision made by Snopes Clinton, who hated the military, the Second Amendment, and all us commoners who believe it means exactly what it says. Take it from there.

11 posted on 09/18/2013 8:53:05 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: fruser1

To answer your question, Bill Clinton issued an executive order to that effect in, I believe, 1996.


12 posted on 09/18/2013 8:58:04 AM PDT by catman67
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To: rktman

Most of us are better shots. :)


13 posted on 09/18/2013 9:06:35 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (My sweet talk is also savory and creamy.)
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To: Standing Wolf
That was a decision made by Snopes Clinton

Actually, the policy was put in place by George H. W. Bush. The Senior Bush was reiterating an existing policy dating back to the end of WWI.

Regards,
GtG

14 posted on 09/18/2013 9:44:52 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: rktman

The problem of mental health care has been a major dilemma for so long precisely because the public doesn’t even want to think about it, much less do much of anything.

It used to be seen as a state issue, like state prisons, but because of widespread abuse and nagging reformers, the states were forced by the courts to release the vast majority of insane people, keeping only the very worst. And states soon learned they saved a ton of money by doing so, so are not inclined to perform that task any more.

So, weirdly enough, it may be the *one* area that needs the involvement of the federal government.

As one idea, setting up federal mental institution regions in the US, for legal reasons associated with the United States Courts of Appeals and United States District Courts.

http://i.imgur.com/WpymuDM.png

The idea would be that it would be difficult to get into, or get out of, such an institution without local, state, and federal involvement.

The process would begin at the local or state level, in which a criminal court, based on the advice of one or more psychiatrists, recommended the individual for indefinite incarceration at the federal regional facility.

From there, it would go to that state’s federal district court, where a different psychiatrist would certify that indeed this individual represented a strong potential to harm himself or others.

From there, the individual would be referred to the federal facility, where a team of psychiatrists would both evaluate, diagnose and recommend treatment. Once they had done so, the individual would be under the care of the admitting psychiatrist, and get annual reviews to determine their status by a different psychiatrist.

To be released from that situation would be the reverse process, requiring approval at all levels to authorize their transfer or release to different circumstances.

Right now, many state mental hospitals are warehouses, where the mentally ill are given drugs so that they sleep for most of the day, then they are guided to eat, go to the restroom, bathe, change clothes and are given more drugs.

The idea of a federal district mental hospital is that it could provide them better care than that, and that at no point would the patients just become numbers.

Because there is such a multitude of spectrum mental illness in the US, relatively few people would be placed in the regional facilities, but it would be far better than putting them in prisons as is also done today.


15 posted on 09/18/2013 9:57:11 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Most mental health hospitals, strictly speaking, have nobody in them and are kept alive simply because they are the sole employer in their relatively remote parts of their states. NY State has a number of these staffed but empty hospitals. It’s virtually impossible to get a long-term involuntary commitment to anything but a prison facility, even though even providing secure housing, food and clean clothing for the mentally ill (many of whom now live on the streets) would be an improvement in their condition and would probably prevent some of the worse manifestations of their illnesses.

But the idea of having a several-tiered system is a good one, because this would probably prevent or at least make abuse of the power of the system much more difficult. Not impossible: we have to hope we someday get back a non-politicized and non-intrusive administrative system. Obama has corrupted the major agencies (IRS, DOJ, etc.) so thoroughly by now that it’s hard to say that’s ever going to be possible again.


16 posted on 09/18/2013 10:24:09 AM PDT by livius
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

“Actually, the policy was put in place by George H. W. Bush. The Senior Bush was reiterating an existing policy dating back to the end of WWI.”

Do you have any history or links on that? I have been trying to track it down.

My understanding was that it was up to installation commanders before 1993, but that could be wrong.

Hard to find real data on this.


17 posted on 09/18/2013 5:47:41 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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