Posted on 09/10/2013 3:06:04 AM PDT by nikos1121
I’ve been thinking about this all night...It doesn’t make sense to me. Does anyone else feel the same way I do?
Putin is very very quick, almost too quick, to offer the INternational control of weapons IMMEDIATELY after Kerry’s faux Paux. Why?
I don't think in the least that he fears Obama, or even respects the man as his equal. So why would he make an offer that on the surface will ultimately make Obama look good esp in the eyes of the media, and make him looks like he caved to Obama's threats?
Anyone over the age of 40 kows that the Russians are and always will be liars. They will promise anything to get what they want.
I say this whole thing is set up to expose Obama for the phony he is in this matter. It is not an offer made by a man who fears Obama. To the contrary, I believe that it's an empty offer that intends to ultimately embarrass Obama in the media even more so than he has been.
Think about this. The administration at first says Kerry's comments were rhetorical, giving us the idea that Kerry messed up, but then pundits spin this to sound like Obama got the Russians to do this, and now Obama is taking credit for it. Hillary steps in too.
Makes no sense. Sounds to me like a sly move by Putin that in the end will undermine Obama even more.
I can't help but think that Putin is toying with us, and Obama and company are falling right into it. Why would the Russians be afraid of Obama esp when he says this is going to be an extremely small bombing.
So why did he offer this?
Let’s think this through. WHy would Putin make this offer, unless his intelligence has made it very clear that Obama is using the chemical weapons as a pretense to rally support to bomb Syria and support the MB fight against Syria.
I think that PUtin knows it's got nothing to do with chemical weapons, and to prove it he immediately offers to take that issue off the table.
Now the ball is back in Obama’s court and the MSM can applaud him as there should no longer be an issue for war. The media already are saying Obama is the smartest guy in the room. He got the Russians to cave without firing a shot. Game should be over, right?
WRONG. The Saudi’s, Obama etc want regime change in Syria. It’s not about dying babies and chemical weapons. It’s about regime change and supporting the MB. Same game as in Libya and Egypt.
Boy, I would think Obama is fuming about this. NOw he's called out by the Russians and there's again no where to hide for him. If the Russians and Syrians say we're removing the weapons, the whole matter should be over.
So the Russians figure Obama will back off on his threat to bomb. What will the Russians do? They can spin this all they want for as long as they want. I predict that they will take their fine time on this. Weeks, months maybe a year. Hahahaha.
Why do I picture Putin over there with this big grin on his face. He's thinking, I'll not only beat Obama on any battle field because I know that man is a coward, but I'll beat him in the social media as well.
Does anyone actually believe that Assad will destroy his chemical weapons? Who will watch over the weapons? Hey, I got an idea, how about the Russians? Maybe they'll offer to do so in fact, I'm sure that's all part of it.
And just a thought. What if after some international scrutiny it turns out the chemical weapons came from Iraq, from Saddam? Then what? Don't think Kerry and company would like that information to get out now would they.
BOTTOM LINE NOW IS THAT THE CONGRESS AND AMERICAN PEOPLE CANNOT BE DUPED INTO VOTING FOR BOMBING UNDER ANY CONTINGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS THIS SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE VOTE. BOEHNER SHOULD NOW CALL A VOTE ON THIS. WE NEED TO GIVE OBAMA A CLEAR "NO" ON HAVING ANY MANDATE TO BOMB SYRIA.
I'm asking for Freepers to give me their take on this. I'm saying Putin has pulled a remarkable gambit move here. I say he'll promise anything to put Obama on the spot to back off his threats, in turn exposing Obama. Putin knows the media now will run with this.
Like I said, no one with any intelligence actually believes that Obama wants to bomb Syria because of the chemical weapons. Bob Menedez, Kerry and all the other simpletons can say all they want about dying babies. I say bull.
This whole thing is predicated on the clear assumption that Assad unleashed the weapons. Where is the proof? If he did then why would he offer to destroy them or to even render them unusable. Show the American public the proof.
The whole thing on the surface makes no sense unless you start by realizing this is about Obama's long term covert support for the MB and to do what the Saudi's want him to do.
Hey Henry Kessinger, Charles Krauthammer anyone! What the heck is going on here? Please tell us.
Rev6:6
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine
It all seems to come together, if you don,t have the oil you can,t have the luxurious and delicious things the oil can buy.
It is not funny to me! They only say what they are told. No one (esp. not boner and co.) are going to tell them to tell the truth!
Obama lied to us about Benghazi, and then spent a year covering up his dereliction of duty as Commander In Chief during the critical hours of the Benghazi Massacre.
Can anyone in the US Military trust Obama?
Why should we taxpayers trust Obama?
Who can trust someone whose own SEALED personal records cannot be verified?
Obama cannot be trusted or verified is the obvious conclusion.
Man, I have to tell you, you hit the nail right on the head.
Listening to that blow hard Kerry. I was waiting for him to address the Russian plan, and he did and as predicted they’re pushing back on it and denouncing. Those are the talking points from this administration. “We don’t expect the Russians to follow through on this. We don’t expect them to do this quickly...etc.”
Why? Because it’s not about chemical weapons, and why should it care if it takes a month or three monts or a year? If they’re making a good faith effort to remove the weapons?
So, I’m thinking of what you said in your post before you posted it as I’m listening to this guy, who refuted the evidence of the Kurds being gased, and voted down our attacking Saddam. It all starts with a single premise, just one premise:
That Assad ordered and carried out the use of the chemical weapons a few weeks ago that killed 1400 people. If this is verifiable then one would have to scratch their head and ask why would he do that, esp when he’s winning the war, and when UN inspectors are in the country to inspect his chemical weapon site? Also, why gas helpless people? Why not go after the rebels themselves.
But guess what? It hasn’t been verified, and in fact I agree with you. This administration has lied to us before and will lie again. We know the end justifies the means with Obama. Always has always will.
I DON’T BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE THAT ASSAD ATTACKED HIS PEOPLE WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS. THIS WAS A SET UP.
I’m also quite sure that Kerry and company will dismiss this offer, because it’s not about chemical weapons, it’s about toppling Assad.
If I’m wrong fine, but Putin made the offer not out of fear, he made the offer to show the world that Obama is a phony, to call his bluff. He knows it’s not about these weapons.
As a nation we need to stand firm and vote no to bombing Syria. Vote no for giving Obama any authority.
We’ll write several hefty checks (classified information not for public consumption). Russia will monitor the destruction of the chemical weapons (do we trust them?) And obammy will claim that his tough stance and Kerry’s tough negotiating are what brought Russia to the table and a peaceful end to this very dangerous situation. These things are always about the money.
Layers and layers of reactions to your comment... thanks for sharing...
I predict that Obama will push aside Putin’s offer, and essentially say that it was disingenuous of them, and go forth trying to convince the Congress to give him authorization. They won’t. Then what does he do?
Obama’s interest in invading non-enemy Syria has nothing to do with Syria, poison gas, or children.
Obama’s interest in bombing non-enemy Syria has everything to do with creating a long-lasting, controversial, DISTRACTION for Congress in order to keep Congress from defunding Obama”care”/Boehnerkare.
Obama’s “Red Herring” for the 9-11 Benghazi Massacre Coverup was Susan Rice’s fake Video story.
Obama’s “Red Herring” for distracting Congress until Obama”care”/ Boehnerkare kicks in October 1 is Obama’s “Crossing HIS personal Red Line” distraction speech.
Obama speaks only for Obama, not the US Federal Government or America.
REMEMBER BENGHAZI !
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“Jellyfish Spine” Boehner as Speaker of the House is essential to Obama’s continued unchallenged destruction of the US Constitution.
Nothing will change as long as cave-in artists Boehner and Cantor are in leadership roles in the US House of Representatives.
If Boehner is replaced as Speaker with a fighter such as Col. Allen West, then the Articles of Impeachment for B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, can be quickly issued.
The problem is not with Obama, as he is just doing what Communist Tyrants are trained to do.
The problem is not with Boehner, as he loves to lose and wallow in the disgrace of being the worst Speaker of the House, EVER.
The problem lies with our sorry, spineless, RINOs in the House who refuse to replace Boehner with a proven fighter.
BTW, the members of the House can choose anybody to be their Speaker, even if that person is not a current Member of the House.
Tick-tock, long-time House RINOs, tick-tock - - - - .
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Obama and Holder are publicly speaking about their ‘plan of the week’ that are just more smokescreen distractions to divert attention away from the incompetent manner Obama has handled his day job.
The best indicator of a PHONY ADMINISTRATION is the number of its REAL SCANDALS.
Commie Tyrant Obama’s current talking points are thus smokescreen distractions for the products of Obama’s first 4 years in office:
* Refusal to close US Southern Border to Mexican illegal alien invaders
* No known un-forged records of Place of Birth
* No known un-forged records of University grades
* Benghazi Massacre
* Dereliction of Duty as CIC during Benghazi Massacre
* Cover up of Benghazi Massacre
* Destruction of Seal Team Six
* Cover up of Fast and Furious murder of US Border Agent by Exec. Order
* IRS-Obama’care” Commune Death Grip on Wealth and Health
* NSA-Gestapo Death Grip on all citizen’s communications
* Use of Courts against News Media
* Use of Supreme Court to install Un-Constitutional Obama’care’ Tax
* Destruction of the US Coal Industry
* Refusal to permit XL Pipeline construction
* Trillion Dollar a year Federal Overspending
* Monthly violations of the US Constitution by Obama
* Use of Exec. Orders to bypass Congress.
REPLACE sniveling coward Speaker Boehner with a FIGHTER!
It is time to IMPEACH Tyrant B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro.
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Tyrant B. Hussein Obama, (aka Barry Soetoro), continues his unopposed efforts to expand Totalitarian Obamanation in Liberty-based America.
Where are the Republican opponents of Tyrant Obama?
Why have the Articles of Impeachment for Tyrant Obama not been issued by US House Speaker Boehner, or Pro-Welfare Republicans Cantor or Ryan?
Have House and Senate Pro-Welfare Republicans formed a cave-in pact with Pro-Welfare Democrats to protect Tyrant Obama?
The main thing that Speaker Boehner is afraid of is being blamed for doing his job.
Speaker Boehner’s job now is to shut down the NON-ESSENTIAL parts of the US Federal Government until Obama’care’ is ABOLISHED, and keep it shut down for however long it takes.
Obama will continue to ruin America as long as Boehner is Speaker of the US House of Represenatives.
Four + years of Boehner has proven Boehner to be unfit to combat Tyrant Obama.
It is now up to the Members of the House to replace Boehner so that the new Speaker can shut down the non-essential parts of the US Federal Government ASAP in order to ABOLISH Obama’care.’
Putin, well...
As my parents used to say about Khrushchev, he may be evil but he isn’t stupid or crazy.
They would not be saying that about obama.
Can’t beat Lao Tse! Thanks for the reminder.
It may be about a gas pipeline, but this move by Putin, ‘in the nick of time to stop bombings’ will usher a significant contingent of Russian troops into Syria, along with a presence for the Cicoms in Syria. ... In the book of Revelations, which direction did the army from the East and the descending Bear attack Israel from?
The same people that said that Gorbachev, and not Reagan ended the Cold War, will now say that Obama, not Putin ended the Syria Crisis.
True. In ju jitsu -- or one of them martial arts! -- you use your opponent's own force against him. When Kerry stuck his tongue out and made a sarcastic comment, Putin grabbed it and pulled.
Then what can Kerry or obama say except, "I meant that!"
Yes, I agree with you. Obama bungled this big time, but no will know this. Plus I agree with the other posters that it’s to create a diversion.
Assad is stronger now. The Russians have more credibility and closer to Syria.
Clearly, they decided to back track. Kerry is down playing this morning as are the other hacks in this administration.
This is always a good place to look for answers....http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/syria-america-and-putins-bluff
This is an interesting article, but I think I disagree with it. I think Syria is very important to Russia. Secondly, I think Putin understands Obama better than we do. He is willing to gamble to the death that Obama is a coward and will not attack Syria or anyone. I truly think Putin will attack US warships if Syria is attacked and in fact is bringing armaments in as we speak. I think too that Middle East Gas is important to Putin.
Tha larger question is this? What in the heck are WE doing in Syria? Makes no sense unless you consider the wishes of the Saudis and their influence over Obama.
In every instance Obama is siding with the MB.
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