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Pat Robertson says birth control ‘very important’ to limit Appalachian ‘ragamuffins’ (Video)
Life Site ^ | Ben Johnson

Posted on 07/31/2013 8:36:12 PM PDT by Morgana

VIRGINIA BEACH, VA, July 31, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Two days after saying he found nothing sinful about sex-change operations, televangelist Pat Robertson said contraception is “a very important part of humanity” that would prevent the birth of too many Appalachian “ragamuffins.” He also said that Natural Family Planning violated the provisions of the Old Testament.

On today's episode of the 700 Club, a woman asked whether the use of birth control is sinful, something about which Catholics and Protestants disagree.

When Robertson's co-host, Wendy Griffith, said not all families could afford to have multiple children, Robertson replied, “That's the big problem, especially in Appalachia. They don't know about birth control. They just keep having babies.”

“You see a string of all these little ragamuffins, and not enough food to eat and so on,” he said, “and it's desperate poverty.” Pat Robertson discusses NFP on today's 700 Club. Pat Robertson discusses NFP on today's 700 Club.

“I'd say yes, birth control is absolutely an important thing for people to use,” he added, saying contraception “is a very important part of humanity.”

Robertson said that “birth control in the Protestant churches has always been permitted,” because they “feel that the care and rearing of children is a tremendous obligation.”

However, the 83-year-old host had negative words for the Natural Family Planning method. “Our good friends in the Catholic Church forbid the use of birth control but they allow people to use what's called 'rhythm,'” he said at the beginning of his answer. “If you read the Old Testament they were forbidden to have sex while women were having their menstrual period, and the Catholic Church is telling women to do just that, and it's OK.”

The Bible discouraged men from having sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual cycle – or touching her – in Leviticus 15:19-33, a provision taken up by Judaism and Islam.

However, Robertson went on to tell another writer later in the segment that eating pork, which is banned in Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8, is not a sin.

“Where do people get all these things?” he asked. “This is ridiculous.”

The Protestant Reformers opposed artificial contraception, something not embraced by Protestants until the Anglican Communion's Lamberth Conference in 1930.

Pro-life activists point out that many forms of “birth control” – including the morning after pill, the IUD, and hormonal birth control pill – may cause a chemical abortion by blocking the implantation of a newly conceived child.


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To: Morgana
Ragamuffins? Is that word still being used.

Ragamuffin

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21 posted on 07/31/2013 8:57:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: laplata

Laplata I have pretty much ignored his stupid a$$ for the last two decades. It bothers me that most protestants will actually listen to him. It also bothers me that Planned Parenthood will run with this, not that Margaret Sanger was behind it in the first place.


22 posted on 07/31/2013 8:57:47 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

I’ve heard that sometimes a poor person might be happier than some rich people, so I wonder what he’d think about those.


23 posted on 07/31/2013 9:02:12 PM PDT by MNDude (The system worked!)
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To: SkyDancer

That is another thing that offends me. He called Appalachian kids “ragamuffins”. Would he dare call that to the African kids he feeds? Would he say “send them birth control because they are just “ragamuffins” and have no right to be alive? (basically this is what he said of Appalachian children).

btw cool tagline dude.


24 posted on 07/31/2013 9:04:24 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Speaking of needing to be eugenics-ized, would someone please put the following line to its much needed rest:
“Robertson just said Appalachia needed to be eugenics preformed on it.”

That line is something I would have expected from a Maimi-Dade County Pooblik Skrewl Collective graduate, - er, make that ‘teechur’.


25 posted on 07/31/2013 9:07:55 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: Morgana

700 Club started as a good idea, you know, reach the drunk or drug addict or homeless person and had some good assisting personalities as well. This is plain silly and offensive. I think the Good Lord may well deal with someone saying things like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_1988 Ran for Prez. Actually carried 4 states.

The wikipedia article says Robertson helped found the organization we always see with Jay Sekulow, ACLJ, American Center for Law and Justice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson

ACLJ I think does good Christian work, sometimes pro-life work. http://aclj.org/

So this story is disappointing to say the least.


26 posted on 07/31/2013 9:08:16 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: GladesGuru

Glades I am soooooooooooooooo upset right now I can’t type. So please overlook any sentence structure flaws I might do. My head is about to explode.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 9:11:54 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: steve86

Pope Francis has no power over Robertson. A Protestant.


28 posted on 07/31/2013 9:12:29 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Republican1795.

Thanks for letting us know that.


29 posted on 07/31/2013 9:13:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Morgana

Robertson will not be making many friends in Appalachia now.


30 posted on 07/31/2013 9:13:43 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Norm Lenhart
He has ALWAYS had his own religion and it has little to do with Christianity. It has everything to do with making him wealthy.

Aye...

31 posted on 07/31/2013 9:15:46 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Morgana
btw cool tagline dude.

Thankee but make that dude-ette. D:)

32 posted on 07/31/2013 9:16:08 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Morgana

33 posted on 07/31/2013 9:19:50 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: SkyDancer

My dad used to call me a ragamuffin when I was little. He’s from Pat Robertson’s era. It’s a great word. Think I’ll start using it. :)


34 posted on 07/31/2013 9:20:18 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: steve86

Yep, and unfortunately, Pat stuck his foot in his mouth probably talking about whom are mostly Protestants as to Appalachia. Sad.


35 posted on 07/31/2013 9:27:53 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Morgana

Well, it’s true that the troglodytes crouching in their burrows down in benighted Appalachia have never heard tell of this super-science of the future known as birth control. Sure.

“Robertson said that “birth control in the Protestant churches has always been permitted,” because they “feel that the care and rearing of children is a tremendous obligation.”

It’s funny how that good looking host just nods and smiles at his gibberish in that video. I wonder what the Amish and old order Mennonites think about his historical proclamation?

Freegards


36 posted on 07/31/2013 9:29:09 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Morgana

Some of my best friends are ‘ragamuffins’.

In fact, as a ‘ragamuffins’ myself, I resemble that remark!!!


37 posted on 07/31/2013 9:31:57 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: SkyDancer

Hey - that looked like my mom !


38 posted on 07/31/2013 9:36:13 PM PDT by 11th_VA (It's all about culture, not color)
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To: Morgana
VIRGINIA BEACH, VA, July 31, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Two days after saying he found nothing sinful about sex-change operations

Genesis 1:27

televangelist Pat Robertson said contraception is “a very important part of humanity” that would prevent the birth of too many Appalachian “ragamuffins.” He also said that Natural Family Planning violated the provisions of the Old Testament.

The typical explanation for this mitzvah is that by creating a period of seperation, the only way a husband and wife can interact would be through conversation and hence it would build up the marriage. This mitzvah has been superceded by Ephesians 5:25.

When Robertson's co-host, Wendy Griffith, said not all families could afford to have multiple children, Robertson replied, “That's the big problem, especially in Appalachia. They don't know about birth control. They just keep having babies.”

I suppose since we are going to start citing Torah, we should also cite Talmud, Yevamot 6:6. OTOH, if we are to reject Talmud, Gen 1:28

Robertson said that “birth control in the Protestant churches has always been permitted,” because they “feel that the care and rearing of children is a tremendous obligation.”

Chapter and Verse on where feelings determine doctrine.

However, the 83-year-old host had negative words for the Natural Family Planning method. “Our good friends in the Catholic Church forbid the use of birth control but they allow people to use what's called 'rhythm,'” he said at the beginning of his answer. “If you read the Old Testament they were forbidden to have sex while women were having their menstrual period, and the Catholic Church is telling women to do just that, and it's OK.”

I take it he holds I hope he believes that a woman should wash herself in a mikvah.

The Bible discouraged men from having sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual cycle – or touching her – in Leviticus 15:19-33, a provision taken up by Judaism and Islam.

I would like to know his position on Lev 15:25-28 is. And the provision on touching women during her mentrual cycle is found here. If we are going to bring the Talmud in, I would his opinion on shomer negiah.

However, Robertson went on to tell another writer later in the segment that eating pork, which is banned in Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8, is not a sin. “Where do people get all these things?” he asked. “This is ridiculous.”

I also wonder what his opinion is on eating cheeseburgers. These appear to be prohibited by Ex. 23:19; Ex. 34:26; Deut. 14:21. I am unable to find a translation that gives a reason, for example cleanliness. If the reason were cleanliness, eating cheeseburgers would be valid vis-a-vis Acts 10.
39 posted on 07/31/2013 9:36:50 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: Ransomed
Robertson said that “birth control in the Protestant churches has always been permitted,”

Well, since 1932, at least.

Before then? Never.

40 posted on 07/31/2013 9:40:15 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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