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To: lowbridge

I can see where the author’s coming from. But he’s too extreme.

I proudly say the pledge, or sing along with the National Anthem, or salute the flag, or fill up with patriotism from a historical and traditional viewpoint.

Am I proud of my Country today? Would I even recommend my kids join the military?

These are questions that even the most conservative patriots must answer.


2 posted on 07/31/2013 1:54:07 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

>>I proudly say the pledge, or sing along with the National Anthem, or salute the flag, or fill up with patriotism from a historical and traditional viewpoint.

>>Am I proud of my Country today? Would I even recommend my kids join the military?

I made the decision to not say the pledge or salute the flag anymore about a year ago. A symbol is just that...a symbol. It can mean something good or something bad. Until recently, the flag was a symbol of good and hope but today it is a symbol of a nation gone bad. We elect communist’s into office and half of the people cheer and hold out their hands for a payoff.

I wish that Obama had changed the flag as part of his “fundamental transformation” so I would be able to proudly desecrate his flag. I won’t salute or pledge allegiance to the flag anymore, but I also won’t desecrate it for its history.

My only nation now is the kingdom of God and all Christians have to realize that America has become Babylon. We may have to live here, but we don’t have to worship its idols.


5 posted on 07/31/2013 2:03:04 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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I'm not going to stop anybody from reciting the Pledge or give them a dirty look if they do, but citizens really need to think about what they're doing when they recite the Pledge as Mr. Knight evidently has.

More specifically, not only was the Pledge written by a socialist, but consider the following. With wording like "one nation" and "indivisible," the Pledge is arguably anti-state sovereignty, pro-big federal government propaganda, possibly intended to dilute the idea of the federal government's constitutionally limited powers.

In fact, Thomas jefferson had indicated that the idea of "one nation" is basically how foreign nations were to think of the United States.

"The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best, that the States are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign nations." --Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800.

Also, regarding the display of flags, socialist FDR is pretty much the one who inspired federal code to glorify the national flag. But consider the idea of the national flag being the prominent flag when other flags are displayed arguably does not reflect the federal government's constitutonally limited powers, just as the Pledge does not reflect the fed's constitutionally limited powers.

7 posted on 07/31/2013 2:30:54 PM PDT by Amendment10
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