Ultimate Prepper Handbook
Posted on 07/31/2013 12:02:01 PM PDT by Kartographer
Two EMP experts told Secrets that the EMP flashed through earth's typical orbit around the sun about two weeks before the planet got there.
"The world escaped an EMP catastrophe," said Henry Cooper, who lead strategic arms negotiations with the Soviet Union under President Reagan, and who now heads High Frontier, a group pushing for missile defense.
"There had been a near-miss about two weeks ago, a Carrington-class coronal mass ejection crossed the orbit of the Earth and basically just missed us," said Peter Vincent Pry, who served on the Congressional EMP Threat Commission from 2001-2008. He was referring to the 1859 EMP named after astronomer Richard Carrington that melted telegraph lines in Europe and North America.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
Another one here:
http://books-pdf-epub.blogspot.com/2013/04/download-one-second-after-by-william-r.html
Forstchen’s book is not about a Solar Flare.
A solar flare cannot do what is described in the book. A solar flare does not impact electronics.
lol! I’ll have to look at the data again. Damnit...
I am liquidating an estate, including an originally owned 1959 Dodge Custom Royal. Very simple compared to today’s cars. With the pushbutton shifter & no `park’.
I remember the 1958 Edsel. As kids we made faces at each other like the Edsel grille. I think that’s what did it in.
Not sure if I feel better or not. The lights go out but the NSA is still listening.
True, but what powers those wireless phone systems, Refineries, fuel delivery systems, water systems..........?
Hmm... I need to know that; we had that discussion here and I need good data.
Where’s a good reputable place to get information?
ping
Factor in the effects of Ground Induced Currents, and get back to us.
The headline mentions “EMP disaster” — that’s what prompted me to mention Forstchen’s book.
http://www.solarstorms.org/SWChapter1.html
If a solar flare takes out all the major transformers in the power grid, that will indirectly affect all electronics. No power grid, no recharging, and no shipping. No shipping, no batteries, and no fuel after local tanks go dry by siphoning. A solar flare might not have as large an initial impact as an EMP attack but long term, how much different would the effect be? The large transformers required to restore our power grid are built as needed, and now overseas. How long would it take to build, transport and install all those transformers? Would it ever happen, for that matter, if they're mostly made in China now?
“probably somewhat EMP resistant.”
Every car is solar-flare EMP resistant.
Its why I’m a big fan of more smaller power plants with a grid easily broken down into small pieces.
Much easier for local folks to rebuild and restore in the event of a serious flare induced takedown.
Not an RF engineer, but assuming a solar flare couldn’t would be hubris. A nuke delivers it’s power like a square wave, induces harmonics all over the place, besides the first induction that occurs in wiring/circuitry. Much larger chance of causing issues.
However....
A solar flare large enough will induce into everything. Basically, it could cause the atmosphere and anything magnetically active to “ring”. Don’t know if the event spoken of is such an event.
Also, the leakage current protections that were installed since the last flare induced blackouts have rating limits, just like any electrical component in existence. A large enough flare could conceivably overload those protections.
Given all this, I am still a optimist. Statistically, we don’t know of cases larger than we have seen thus far. So I would guess this would have been one of those uneventful events. Our isolation systems are vastly improved from the days of melting telegraph lines, both in quality of insulation, and system design.
“True, but what powers those wireless phone systems, Refineries, fuel delivery systems, water systems..........?”
Let’s first underscore that you were, perhaps unknowingly, inciting excess gloom and doom with your very first post.
second, a solar flare is very unlikely to destroy transformers and the power grid in the same way that a “Nuclear EMP” could do.
We have options in operating the grid during a solar flare that we do not have in the Nuclear EMP event that you were referring to in your very first post which did not apply to a Solar flare.
A solar flare does not impact electronics. You are now claiming that the entire grid will be down and will now impact wireless phone systems, refineries, fuel delivery systems, water systems.
You are refusing to own your initial error. Own it.
Then we can talk about it without hysteria
Not so long ago, every little town had a power dam on a river or reservoir. Power was a municipal utility, just like water, gas and sewer. I wouldn’t mind seeing a return to that. Piecemeal can be good, for instance voting. Or electrical power. Or states, or counties within a state. All the hurdles you can throw in front of a sweeping negative event are fine by me.
“Where’s a good reputable place to get information?”
Look up anything written by John Kappenman with regards to Solar Flares.
Ultimate Prepper Handbook
Glad everyone's OK! Was this a dual-hydraulic failure, brake pedal/linkage failure or ?
There used to be lots of little power plants all over the place. My great grandmother’s brother was a switchkeeper at a small hydroelectric plant in Northern Michigan till the big power company bought it and closed them down in favor of centralized generation.
Now that same company is pimping wind at higher rates.
“Factor in the effects of Ground Induced Currents, and get back to us.”
GIC’s are what potentially damages transformers in a Solar Flare Event - but only if we take no steps when we know it is coming.
“The headline mentions “EMP disaster” — that’s what prompted me to mention Forstchen’s book.”
I know. it’s a common misconception. People don’t know this, that’s why I keep bringing it up. It’s a complete misconception though. A solar flare will not impact electronics.
Folks may run to buy a “faraday cage” to protect against a solar flare because of the misconception. No need for a faraday cage for a solar flare.
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