If you dislike animals-that is your right, but no need to be nasty about it. More of us here care about animals than do not.
Why not encourage an animal lover, if you know one well-to start an animal rescue closer than Miami? Does Florida have a higher per capita average income than rural Texas? I live in a poor-to middle class area, and there are three of those shelters here, funded entirely by donations. We don’t have any tax-based animal shelters here-this county is too poor for that. What we do have are a lot of good people who give their leisure time to help animals-most of us believe they are God’s creatures, too.
I have children, thank you, and those kids are animal advocates too-no need to be insulting. And none of the “older women” I know-me included-need substitute children-we may live in the country, but that does not make us simple. I like horses, and did as a young teen-I suppose you think that is weird, too?
I was brought up on a working ranch-I’ve been an animal advocate all my life, same as my other family members. Do you really think anyone is influenced by cat food ads to think of cats as child substitutes? I actually don’t know anyone that stupid-or anyone who watches lots of cat food commercials, for that matter...
You don’t handle strange animals of any sort unless you want to get hurt, and maybe be able to tell a horror story like the one about the cat scratch fever you are telling here-all animals can be dangerous. You can live in a bubble of sorts-some people do, and they seem happy-not everyone needs to own pets.
Hanging out in the yard, barn, etc is for livestock-not pet animals. It is the height of irresponsibility to let your pet roam loose...
Dogs and cats have the same fleas-pet owners buy repellent for that at the vet or pet store and keep them flea free.
Sorry to hear you don’t have no-kill shelters, but not every community has people inclined to such a thing-and if your neuter and release program is run by liberals with tax money, do what we dumb rural conservatives did-start one or two with donations-liberals won’t want to get involved in that-no money for them.
Perhaps you missed what I posted previously-this is an environmentally sensitive area, and poisons are not permitted-it is listed right in the county’s deed restrictions that everyone signs when they buy property here-or should we all just break the law and taint the groundwater? I’m not in the mood for jail time because I poisoned livestock or wildlife, or water wells, and I will turn in anyone who uses any of that stuff-if they want to use poisons, they need to move back to the city. Natural solutions to a problem are best, if possible-traps and cats are a far better solution than poison.
Doesn’t Florida have restrictions on sensitive areas near/on groundwater and aquifer recharge zones, or is it only the areas like the Everglades?
Cats couldn’t decimate the small animal population like those non-native pythons and other constrictors everyone is so rightly upset about-and cats can be kept indoors where they will not eat birds-apparently that did/does not work out so well with snakes that grow to over 200 pounds and can eat small humans-maybe it is better to be baiting and shooting pythons instead of cats...
On the Role/Place of Animals in America
From the bimodal distribution of replies, it seems I inadvertently peeled a scab from a long festering sore wound in the body politic.
Of the posts, Texan5 had the longest and the most detailed one. As it was the result of quite a bit of thought and typing, I shall use it in my effort to address what is actually not just a cat issue, but rather “The Place/Role of Animals in America.”
“If you dislike animals-that is your right, deriving from anything I posted that I disliked animals must have come from what you thought you read, not something I wrote. I grew up helping raise poultry, a few calves, and the Dobermans and Siamese which Mom bred. Living with a house full of a dozen or two Dobies teaches one much about animals. Not to be forgotten was the Irish wolfhound ones by a tenant, who thought an adult Doberman attacking him wanted to play. Said Dobie was grabbed by the base of his neck and flipped over, only to look up d find a happy Wolfie looking down, wanting to play. Luicky(the Dobie) wisely decided that play was the order of the day.
From that, I learned that the strong can afford to be playful.
“Why not encourage an animal lover, if you know one well-to start an animal rescue closer than Miami?” Well, I live in the interior of the Everglades with few people, other than the Indians, and due to a deep seated dislike of whites on their part I know little of their interests – there are no such activists.
“Does Florida have a higher per capita average income than rural Texas? I live in a poor-to middle class area, and there are three of those shelters here, funded entirely by donations. We don’t have any tax-based animal shelters here-this county is too poor for that.” I would say that the Texans I know are too smart to allow their tax moneys to be spent on such shelters. They correctly see such activities as best left to the individual, not the collective.
What we do have are a lot of good people who give their leisure time to help animals-most of us believe they are God’s creatures, too. A strong case can be made that having been given dominion, God also saw fit to not sever responsibility from that dominion. Mosaic Law even details how and why an animal, being killed for food (hide, etc) must must not be made to suffer unnecessarily.
I have children, thank you, and those kids are animal advocates too-no need to be insulting. And none of the “older women” I know-me included-need substitute children-we may live in the country, but that does not make us simple. I like horses, and did as a young teen-I suppose you think that is weird, too?
I was brought up on a working ranch-I’ve been an animal advocate all my life, same as my other family members. Do you really think anyone is influenced by cat food ads to think of cats as child substitutes?
The pet food industry and their ad agencies disagree with you.
I actually don’t know anyone that stupid-or anyone who watches lots of cat food commercials, for that matter...
You seem blissfully unaware of the Big Sh*ty Liberal female mindset. Count your blessings.
You don’t handle strange animals of any sort unless you want to get hurt, and maybe be able to tell a horror story like the one about the cat scratch fever you are telling here-all animals can be dangerous.
Agreed, but feral Lil’ Fluffums is an unusually risky critter due to people in the Big Sh*ty thinking “Cute Kitty”. Then the CatPersopns get laws passed requiring catch, neuter, release” programs at public expense. The expense is the least of the damage, sa the following may illustrate.
In Miami’s Grenold’s Park there was once a thriving wading bird rookery. This rookery supported hundreds of nests and had been a rookery for many decades. It even had America’s only Scarlet Ibis colony nesting along with many other of the colonial wading bird species. There were both racoons and feral cats, but none made it into the rookery. Those that tried were dinner for alligators, which protected the rookery in urban Miami as they did in the Everglades.
A lawyer caused the gators to be removed and the cat feeding frenzy began. Alarmed bird watchers and biologists, and wildlife photographers tried to have the feral cats killed, but lost to screaming CatPersons who caused a world famous rookery to be destroyed so that feral cats could live....
You can live in a bubble of sorts-some people do, and they seem happy-not everyone needs to own pets.
Where did you derive that from anything I posted?
Hanging out in the yard, barn, etc is for livestock-not pet animals. It is the height of irresponsibility to let your pet roam loose...
I agree.
Dogs and cats have the same fleas-pet owners buy repellent for that at the vet or pet store and keep them flea free. Ever tried to dose a feral with anything?
Believe me, they are trap wise, and too dangerous to bother with.
Sorry to hear you don’t have no-kill shelters, but not every community has people inclined to such a thing-and if your neuter and release program is run by liberals with tax money, do what we dumb rural conservatives did-start one or two with donations-liberals won’t want to get involved in that-no money for them.
Outside of the Big Sh*ty habitats, where gun fire is illegal, cats may be shot with the Game Department’s approval. That may be changing as the animal rights whacko crowd gets through biologist programs and take make work jobs in “wildlife management”. So far, those wishing to either shoot or rescue do so as they so see fit.
Perhaps you missed what I posted previously-this is an environmentally sensitive area, and poisons are not permitted-it is listed right in the county’s deed restrictions that everyone signs when they buy property here-or should we all just break the law and taint the groundwater?
Rodenticides are outlawed? That is extreme, even for Kalifornia, as rodents are a know risk to public health and safety.
I’m not in the mood for jail time because I poisoned livestock or wildlife, or water wells, and I will turn in anyone who uses any of that stuff-if they want to use poisons, they need to move back to the city.
Do you actually think rodenticides are applied to wells? Or are you trying to imply that I proposed such an act? Last I heard, only Muslims were proposing poisoning water supplies and they wanted to kill “infidels” not animals.
Natural solutions to a problem are best, if possible-traps and cats are a far better solution than poison.
I would agree, but as a search of the rodent control literature will show, cats are very ineffective. Removal of harborage and a well planned poison program works. Try to understand that poison is expensive and it is used in containers which prevent rain dilution – thus no water contamination. That is just another enviro-whacko argument - and having been a member of the Florida Sierra Club’s Florida Executive Committee (FLEXCOM), I am more familiar than I ever wanted to be with such idiocy.
Doesn’t Florida have restrictions on sensitive areas near/on groundwater and aquifer recharge zones, or is it only the areas like the Everglades?
Florida became FloriDUH partly due to a plethora of enviro-whacko premise based laws and regulations. We have restrictions piled upon restrictions until Hell won’t have it – but FloriDUH will. There is no conclusive evidence that they have done what they were touted to do.
Cats couldn’t decimate the small animal population like those non-native pythons and other constrictors everyone is so rightly upset about-and cats can be kept indoors where they will not eat birds
Aren’t we discussing feral cats? Ferals have no human to care for them, remember That is why they are called feral cats, not house cats.
apparently that did/does not work out so well with snakes that grow to over 200 pounds and can eat small humans-maybe it is better to be baiting and shooting pythons instead of cats...
While I was away, a friend said he killed a 14’ rock python, two accompanying 9’ and a 6 ‘ one on my property. Not wanting to put up with the noxious behavior of the Armed & Rangerous, after he had extracted a friend’s cat from the 14’ snake, he said the whole bunch were dumped into the canal where the gators immediately turned them into gator scat. He lopped of the heads rather than shooting them