Posted on 07/19/2013 1:36:37 PM PDT by varmintman
For the benefit of anybody who may not have figured this one out yet...
Not that there is any shortage of middle class people who are into shotgun sports... But shotgun sports (trap, skeet, sporting clays) ARE in fact also a major hobby of the rich. Were team Obama/Holder to touch or appear to be playing any sort of games with shotshell ammo, I would assume that a significant number of the fat-cats who fund the dem party, not to mention dem pols themselves, would come down on them like a ton of bricks.
Decent shotguns start around $1000 and good hunting guns like Beretta's Xtrema2 can be had for 1000 - 1600 depending on options, but I don't believe Beretta makes much money on the Xtrema2. Beretta makes its money on guns costing from 3k - 50K and on up and one of the more interesting gunbroker.com searches you can do is to search all double-barrel over/under shotguns, sort on price, highest first, and scroll eight or nine pages past the featured guns to the $50,000 - 200,000 guns for an idea as to what I'm referring to and see if you can picture the owners of any of these things tolerating a government assault on shotshells...
A few samples...
Of course, if you can only have/afford one shotgun, it almost has to be the Xtrema-2:
Three normally but there is an adaptor for trick shooting which would give you more like eight or ten shots, if memory serves.
Good choices for both of you. I used to shoot with a guy that shot nothing but 870’s and he could cycle that gun so fast that the spent hull was about a foot from the gun when he fired the second round. He probably put 5-6000 rounds a year through his guns.
The Beretta autos are also great (although the Benelli’s give them a run for the money). My current Sporting 12 is a 391 Urika 2 Trap model.
I love my fancy and collectible guns, but you’re right, you don’t need to pop for $2K or more to get the job done.
Gun Clubs are a bit thin. My thinking is that they’re being snapped up because they’re as reloadable as AA’s and STS’s but a lot less expensive.
See #37
100% correct! It certainly is refreshing to read a post from someone who actually understands the situation.
Unfortunately, the wannabe gun nuts only believe what they want to believe and reject everything else. Sort of like the man-made global warming loons.
Up to a 1000-2000% markup. Much more lucrative than selling it the old way (oversupply—volume manufacturing and selling). Either that, or the people in that part of the market haven’t followed the majority trend toward moral bankruptcy.
4.5 billion rounds per year is enough to supply each and every one of 100 million people with over 400 rounds per year.
gunbroker.com searches you can do is to search all double-barrel over/under shotguns, sort on price, highest first, and scroll eight or nine pages past the featured guns to the $50,000 - 200,000 guns for an idea as to what I'm referring to and see if you can picture the owners of any of these things tolerating a government assault on shotshells...
Earlier this year I had my eye on an H&R Pardner Protector. 12 gauge, 18", under $200.
Boom! Just the thing.
That’s a hunting cottage. You’re holding back the real house pics!
psssst... check your math.
There ain't no conspiracy if that's what you're hinting at, the manufacturers just can't keep up with the demand.
Sweet.
My 20ga is not as well embellished, just an excellent field arm.
Me thinks you’re a little too morally smug in your sense of intellectual superiority.
While I agree with you that the current ammo shortage is the result of millions of people in this country arming up in the event of the next civil war I disagree with you that the wannabe guns nut have a poor track record and, indeed, have a much better track record than the global warming loons.
To whit! NSA all-comprehensive and invasive spying on Americans, IRS abuses by the current admin against American citizens, selective, or no enforcement, of existing laws by this admin, etc. I think us tin foil hat people have had it pretty accurate for a long time.
In any event, I think we both see things pretty much the same way.
I can just never get my mind in gear before I let out the posting-clutch.
Heh...yeah. You’re right. It would be 45 rounds for each of a 100 million. Should have relied on the machine instead of the hasty brain calculation.
I’ve looked at a number of Ithaca NID, and there’s little difference in the mechanicals by grade. It was just increasing “fancy”. This one is a good shooter too.
Savage 350 pump with 18” barrel. My practice is basically for muscle memory and familiarity. A home defense weapon.
I use other rifles for the pleasure and zen of target practice.
My first thought as well. I have a Spanish twenty gauge and it performs superbly; has so for thirty years.
So you are supporting those that don't know the difference between a bullet and a cartridge?
Or don't know the difference between a clip and magazine?
Or don't know the difference between automatic and self-loading firearms?
Or don't know that the "ACP" designation for the series of Colt pistol cartridges was obsoleted prior to World War II and replaced with the designation "Auto"? Where have they been? Hanging around and reading nonsense by gun writers whose entire firearms and ammo education came from reading other gun writers gibberish?
Or believe that there ever was, is or will be, a cartridge with the designation .45 Long Colt?
Your adorned wannabe gun nuts post more erroneous "facts" on this forum than any other identifiable group.
If I ever won the lottery, no shotgun would be safe from purchase.
Again if you could only have one shotgun, it almost has to be that Baretta Xtrema-2, which is not unduly expensive.
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