Ping
“Spanish”? Wrong tribes, I think.
So I can now claim that I am Hispanic and have been unlawfully discriminated against my whole life!
Being of northern Spanish decent, we have known that we have the same DNA of the Irish for a long time. So nice that the other side is picking it up.
Mmm...
I was under the impression that the Basque relatives of ancient Irish were Celtic...
This is not new but it is true. Our family (Irish) traces its roots to spanish kings.
Ping.
Irish DNA was found at Roswell. Irish are Legal Aliens!!!
later Irish DNA
r1b1a2
In the 1600s many Huguenots (French Protestants) landed on Irish shores fleeing from France..
In 1710 when Queen Anne sent those 3,000 Palatine Germans to Albany, NY to chop down pine trees and make pitch and tar to seal her wooden war ships, she also sent about 3,000 more to Ireland...
Some of them stayed and some of them moved on to Canada a couple of generations later...after 1760 when the English took over from the French...
Plus the Scots who traveled back and forth to Ireland every few generations or so...My early to mid 1800s Irish were named Campbell, Irvine, Hunter :)
Lots of bloodlines to choose from...
If youre Irish you could be have French, German, Scot, English ancestors as well as a Black Irish/Spaniard...
Oh and the Vikings...
The Norsemen/Vikings were all over what now is Ireland, Scotland, and England, not to mention the lands of the Rus, the continually warring tribes of which they pacified and unified, after a fashion, creating Russia. The Normans invaded northern region of what now is France, and settled there in numbers such that Charlemagne granted them what we know as Normandy. Floating down rivers from the north, they were able to trade with the Arabs.
Listen to Llan de Cubel sometime. A Celtic folk band from Asturias, in northern Spain. Perfectly good Irish “diddley music” but in Spanish.
White Hispanics.
The original Celts (the keltoi barbarians as the Greeks called them of that time, in 6th Century BC 800-450BC) were in the central core area of Europe, in Austria, and id’d by the Hallstatt culture. The Celts spread across that Europe,to the British Isles ( France and the low country (hence, the Gauls which Rome had to deal with forever), Bohemia, Poland and much of Central Europe, to the Spanish Peninsula. The Gallic invasion led all the way to the Balkans and as far east as central Turkey, where they were called Gallo-Graeci (the Gauls among the Greeks). Light skinned, blond or red haired Gauls in Turkey (might still see some there amongst the turks)
The island Celts divided into the Gaels (Irish, Scottish and Manx),the Brythonic Celts (Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons), as they are today.
This article is a genetic tracing, and leaves out a lot. Surely elements of “spanish” celts migrated to Ireland, and have the haplotype mentioned. But as another poster here mentioned, the dark haired, dark eyed olive complexion Irish so-called “Black” Irish, Spaniards who descended from the Moorish invasion of Spain , and were then survivors from the Spanish Armada that sank and who washed ashore, were taken in if not killed and assimilated into Irish population.
Most would not think of Poland and Bohemia as being Celtic descent, but they are. Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres. So, the French are Celts, too— yow!
Elgin is an ancient walled city in Scotland and also an earldom. In the Gaelic "Elgin" means "little Ireland." The greatest proof that there was an influx from Ireland into what is now Elgin is that about 90% of the better single malt scotch is made in Elgin. It has the most stops along the Whiskey trail. It seems that the Irish brougt with them the skill of making usquebaugh.
The Earl of Elgin, however, is now a Bruce. Seems a Scots King had a hired sword, a Norman by the name of Robert le Brus. The king, no dummy, it seems, arranged for his hired sword to marry one of the beautiful daughters of the Elgin chief, who had daughters not sons. One of the male offspring became well known as Robert the Bruce.
 |
Genetic Genealogy |
| Send FReepmail if you want on/off GGP list Marty = Paternal Haplogroup O(2?)(M175) Maternal Haplogroup H |
|
| GG LINKS: African Ancestry DNAPrint Genomics FamilyTree DNA GeneTree Int'l Society of Genetic Genealogy mitosearch Nat'l Geographic Genographic Project Oxford Ancestors RelativeGenetics Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation Trace Genetics ybase ysearch |
|
| The List of Ping Lists | |
Very interesting.
The historical tradition expressed by the Scots in 1320 in the Declaration of Arbroath is often regarded as fiction but may very well be more factual than suspected.
“They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since...”
“... It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom — for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.”
